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New NPC AI, how about no?

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Doddy
Excidium.
#261 - 2013-01-14 12:11:19 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Onwards to WH space...


W-space has similar AI, but you can trying doing lvl 2 missions in a T3 with officer fit, should be a suitable difficulty level.


We already found a class 5 WH, were farming them in capitals and I assure you that with the new AI changes this is much more isk/hour efficient and personally i think its easier than a 10/10 ded plex since a triage archon outweights numerous logistics by its own. So basically were doing the same stuff as we need to do in 0.0 space exploration, the only difference that were making more money in less time. And this is WRONG.


HIGHer RISK + HARDer CONTENT should be = MORE ISK


since the AI update that is NOT TRUE.


read the capital letters together.


Why would a 0.0 plex pay better than a class 5 WH?
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#262 - 2013-01-14 12:16:36 UTC
Funky Lazers wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
i feel like my feedback doesnt matter


My guess it really doesn't, as long as you pay money.

I think the only thing will help here is some kind of mass unsub.
In this case CCP might change something. Otherwise your feedback or opinion doesn't matter, just like mine.



I think shooting some monument in jita and amarr with mass pilots would be sufficient like it was before, when Hellmar (ccp ceo) said sorry:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2672
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#263 - 2013-01-14 12:20:50 UTC
I haven't done any lvl 4s yet with a Droneboat but I imagine you can do them easily with Sentries + 425s/Tachyons, so for the love of God. Stop whining guys. Really.

If you can't handle something it doesn't mean it's bad, it usually means you need to try harder.

Can someone PLEASE lock this thread? For me? Pretty please?
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#264 - 2013-01-14 12:20:51 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Onwards to WH space...


W-space has similar AI, but you can trying doing lvl 2 missions in a T3 with officer fit, should be a suitable difficulty level.


We already found a class 5 WH, were farming them in capitals and I assure you that with the new AI changes this is much more isk/hour efficient and personally i think its easier than a 10/10 ded plex since a triage archon outweights numerous logistics by its own. So basically were doing the same stuff as we need to do in 0.0 space exploration, the only difference that were making more money in less time. And this is WRONG.


HIGHer RISK + HARDer CONTENT should be = MORE ISK


since the AI update that is NOT TRUE.


read the capital letters together.


Why would a 0.0 plex pay better than a class 5 WH?



It shouldnt pay more, but it SHOULD be easier.
Signal11th
#265 - 2013-01-14 12:21:59 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
dexington wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
Onwards to WH space...


W-space has similar AI, but you can trying doing lvl 2 missions in a T3 with officer fit, should be a suitable difficulty level.


We already found a class 5 WH, were farming them in capitals and I assure you that with the new AI changes this is much more isk/hour efficient and personally i think its easier than a 10/10 ded plex since a triage archon outweights numerous logistics by its own. So basically were doing the same stuff as we need to do in 0.0 space exploration, the only difference that were making more money in less time. And this is WRONG.


HIGHer RISK + HARDer CONTENT should be = MORE ISK


since the AI update that is NOT TRUE.


read the capital letters together.


Why would a 0.0 plex pay better than a class 5 WH?



It shouldnt pay more, but it SHOULD be easier.



It is... I solo'ed one yesterday

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#266 - 2013-01-14 12:26:29 UTC
i stop pyramid quoting, but i doubt you soloed a 8/10 or a 10/10
Duke Atreus
Doomheim
#267 - 2013-01-14 12:31:21 UTC
Sam Korak wrote:
I haven't done any lvl 4s yet with a Droneboat but I imagine you can do them easily with Sentries + 425s/Tachyons, so for the love of God. Stop whining guys. Really.

If you can't handle something it doesn't mean it's bad, it usually means you need to try harder.

Can someone PLEASE lock this thread? For me? Pretty please?

Sam Korak wrote:
I haven't done any lvl 4s yet with a Droneboat but I imagine

Sam Korak wrote:
I haven't done any lvl 4s yet with a Droneboat


Hi Sam Korak! Thanks for your opinion!
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#268 - 2013-01-14 12:34:07 UTC
Duke Atreus wrote:

Hi Sam Korak! Thanks for your opinion!

My point is not being they aren't HARDER or shouldn't be EASIER or PAYOFF BETTER. My point is this thread had became flame-ish and stopped being relevant about 14 pages back.

If you criticize something, give feedback on how to fix it. Else you make a fool out of yourself.
Duke Atreus
Doomheim
#269 - 2013-01-14 12:37:37 UTC
Sam Korak wrote:
Duke Atreus wrote:

Hi Sam Korak! Thanks for your opinion!

My point is not being they aren't HARDER or shouldn't be EASIER or PAYOFF BETTER. My point is this thread had became flame-ish and stopped being relevant about 14 pages back.

If you criticize something, give feedback on how to fix it. Else you make a fool out of yourself.


Some of us are also trying to keep this topic current (on the first page) so the devs can see it matters. There are quite a number of posts in here that go into detail about what is wrong at the moment and I fail to see the need to repost it over and over.

Cya man!
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#270 - 2013-01-14 12:53:10 UTC
Duke Atreus wrote:

Some of us are also trying to keep this topic current (on the first page) so the devs can see it matters. There are quite a number of posts in here that go into detail about what is wrong at the moment and I fail to see the need to repost it over and over.

Cya man!


Still waiting on your suggestions on how can I see how awfuly flawed the new AI is. Because so far I find it much more interesting to play EVE than afk-playing before.
Rengerel en Distel
#271 - 2013-01-14 13:04:40 UTC
Sam Korak wrote:
Duke Atreus wrote:

Some of us are also trying to keep this topic current (on the first page) so the devs can see it matters. There are quite a number of posts in here that go into detail about what is wrong at the moment and I fail to see the need to repost it over and over.

Cya man!


Still waiting on your suggestions on how can I see how awfuly flawed the new AI is. Because so far I find it much more interesting to play EVE than afk-playing before.


This appears to be a thread about how the NPC AI hurts drone boats. You say you don't use drone boats. You then say you are awaiting a suggestion on how you can see how awfully flawed the new AI is. I believe the suggestion would be to use a drone boat.

The only real change for solo non-drone boat users is the increased EWAR. If you find increased EWAR to be more interesting, so that you don't have to afk-play, then more power to you. To say though that there isn't a problem because it doesn't effect you at all, is a bit disingenuous.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Duke Atreus
Doomheim
#272 - 2013-01-14 13:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Duke Atreus
Sam Korak wrote:
Duke Atreus wrote:

Some of us are also trying to keep this topic current (on the first page) so the devs can see it matters. There are quite a number of posts in here that go into detail about what is wrong at the moment and I fail to see the need to repost it over and over.

Cya man!


Still waiting on your suggestions on how can I see how awfuly flawed the new AI is. Because so far I find it much more interesting to play EVE than afk-playing before.


Hello again Sam Korak! Please refer to my previous posts in the thread as well as many other peoples views on the matter. I don't particularly feel like going through the whole thread again and copy / paste all the information people have shared. Maybe if you have a spare 20 minutes or so (less time than when you started here!) you can peruse at your own leisure.

Take care now.
Signal11th
#273 - 2013-01-14 13:16:41 UTC
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
i stop pyramid quoting, but i doubt you soloed a 8/10 or a 10/10



http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dread_Guristas_Fleet_Staging_Post

That's what I solo'ed yesterday, don't know if its a 8 or 10 but there was a torp that keep hitting me for 10k every 25 seconds.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Mund Richard
#274 - 2013-01-14 13:21:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Signal11th wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
i stop pyramid quoting, but i doubt you soloed a 8/10 or a 10/10
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dread_Guristas_Fleet_Staging_Post
That's what I solo'ed yesterday, don't know if its a 8 or 10 but there was a torp that keep hitting me for 10k every 25 seconds.

Was going to ask which one out of curiosity, now I'm sure that someone will come along, and say do X in a Y ship and then come back.. Roll

My money is on blood raider in a gunship.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Signal11th
#275 - 2013-01-14 13:26:08 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
i stop pyramid quoting, but i doubt you soloed a 8/10 or a 10/10
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dread_Guristas_Fleet_Staging_Post
That's what I solo'ed yesterday, don't know if its a 8 or 10 but there was a torp that keep hitting me for 10k every 25 seconds.

Was going to ask which one out of curiosity, now I'm sure that someone will come along, and say do X in a Y ship and then come back.. Roll

My money is on blood raider in a gunship.



Don't get me wrong I don't like the new AI at all!
It just takes longer with no more reward or content for the extra stress but it's no game breaker I can still do what I was doing before I just have to actually watch the screen now instead of watching a film.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Sam Korak
Doomheim
#276 - 2013-01-14 13:40:42 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I believe the suggestion would be to use a drone boat.


Actually I used drone boats on Lv1s, 2s and 3s. And I can't say it's impossible harder. It is a bit harder, in a way that requires you to actually stop being AFK.

My point is, I don't believe Lv4s are so game changing in the way you can't do them anymore in a Droneboat.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#277 - 2013-01-14 13:41:38 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Sam Korak wrote:
Duke Atreus wrote:

Some of us are also trying to keep this topic current (on the first page) so the devs can see it matters. There are quite a number of posts in here that go into detail about what is wrong at the moment and I fail to see the need to repost it over and over.

Cya man!


Still waiting on your suggestions on how can I see how awfuly flawed the new AI is. Because so far I find it much more interesting to play EVE than afk-playing before.


This appears to be a thread about how the NPC AI hurts drone boats. You say you don't use drone boats. You then say you are awaiting a suggestion on how you can see how awfully flawed the new AI is. I believe the suggestion would be to use a drone boat.

The only real change for solo non-drone boat users is the increased EWAR. If you find increased EWAR to be more interesting, so that you don't have to afk-play, then more power to you. To say though that there isn't a problem because it doesn't effect you at all, is a bit disingenuous.




Youre right, but dont be mistaken about only drone boats, this topic is about how new npc ai hurts in many a way. It is destroying the pve experience this game offers for years, if someone dont like the way it was then he should go and pvp, if you dont like pvp then this game isnt for you.
Caldari Citizen20121206
Great Eastern
#278 - 2013-01-14 13:43:52 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Caldari Citizen20121206 wrote:
i stop pyramid quoting, but i doubt you soloed a 8/10 or a 10/10



http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dread_Guristas_Fleet_Staging_Post

That's what I solo'ed yesterday, don't know if its a 8 or 10 but there was a torp that keep hitting me for 10k every 25 seconds.




DED rating Unrated



that is an unrated not ded plex. its easier by far from any ded plex.

ps. sorry for double posting
Mund Richard
#279 - 2013-01-14 13:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mund Richard
Sam Korak wrote:
Actually I used drone boats on Lv1s, 2s and 3s. And I can't say it's impossible harder. It is a bit harder, in a way that requires you to actually stop being AFK.
After the size-enforced nerf, I did L3s AFK in a passive Myrm launching lights instead of mediums after making sure that there was no elite rat on grid when I warped in.

Doesn't mean much for L4s and nullsec PvE/PvP.

And yes, I just admitted that unlike L4s, L3s I do AFK sometimes (well, not quite, I was chatting in EVE while watching TV).
Then again, did some more in a Drake and lights, was about the same interaction required.

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Larloch TheAncient
Freindly Mining Corporation
#280 - 2013-01-14 14:05:10 UTC
Mund Richard wrote:
Larloch TheAncient wrote:
They boosted Mission rewards with this update (due to not as many missions being run, so LP is worth more)

Ah, yes!
Silly me!
Missions being nerfed is missions being buffed!
How could I not see that! Roll

You CHOSE to live in a TD space, CHOOSE to go into WH space, I didn't choose to have my drones repeatedly aimed at, when I started training a Gallente toon a year ago.
I should go into WH space, sounds more and more fun, and rewarding.



You chose to use the drones in the new missions, you chose to send them 20+KM from your ship repeatedly. You also chose to run missions solo ensuring that your drones are the only ones on field.