Skill Discussions

There is nothing in the patch notes about ECCM, so what do you think



EDIT: CCP Fozzie's EWAR thread

EDIT: For those that can't take a hint, yes, the skills increase ship sensor strength (no ECCM module required). Everybody will want them trained. [They also make it slightly harder to probe a ship since they increase sensor strength, though for most ships this won't make a difference.]

As Vanths stated.

My previous statement shouldn't be misinterpreted; I was responding to the OP's question of whether the skills needed a module to work. I wasn't stating that ECCM modules are now obsolete.

For example, Logistics pilots will still want to fit an ECCM module for increased resistance to jamming.

i can only think of two ships where this is relevant: cnr and nighthawk.

Do you mean does ECCM work in missions - the answer is yes and this was answered years ago:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1277798

Is sensor compensation skills really worth it?
Personal experience:
PvP . . . none
PvE, Doing missions in my abaddon I had radar sensor strength of 22. My limited understanding of sensor strength is the more the better. Frigates have the least, cruisers more, and BS still more. Abaddon had 22, but was jammed regularly by rats. Enough to make you pull your hair out if you didnt nail the cruisers fast enough. Now Im flying a Paladin, which has radar sensor strength of a wopping 12. When I learned about the sensor compensatin skill I was like, "yippie, mission grinding just became a little less annoying". But at level 3 of radar sensor compensation Ive gone from 12 to 13.4.
If i was getting jammed at 22 in a Abaddon, then there is no way that sensor compensation skills are going to be worth training for if your flying a marauder (or any ship that could really use sensor boosting)
This is assuming that rats are effected by sensor strength.
Am I trying to apply a skill where its not ment to be effective (PvE vs PvP)?
Or is it not just me, and this new skill set is one step from useless and needs a massive buff.

All that being said, I think the new skill set is a fantastic idea, I just wish it was useful in a manor that helps me and others in like situations. Meaning a skill that helps you not get jammed.

That's the thing: they really aren't. 120% of nearly nothing is still nearly nothing. These skills really won't help much on marauders or frigs.

On the other hand, the skills do great things for recons and T3s fitted with dissolution sequencers. So in a way it does open up tactical options, just not across the board. Falcons will be harder to counterjam, but other recons will be better able to take them on. Golems are still awful against Guristas, but Tengus are a bit better.

Note that changing the skills to a flat rate increase would fix this, but the consequences of that would also be silly. Either sensor strength would become radically homogenized (at least for older players) or the skills would be worthless on the vast majority of ships. Neither is really better than what we have now.

Gah. Yes. It will reduce the chance that Guristas will jam.

But otherwise, no. Or at least not to anyone's knowledge/testing.