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Blockade Runners – now safe transporters or suicide ships?

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#41 - 2013-01-05 10:35:27 UTC
Yes OP, you have found the magic "safe" ship to transport stuff in EVE. Please fill it with yummy shiny stuff and autopilot through high sec. You'll be safe. I promise.
Lexmana
#42 - 2013-01-05 10:38:05 UTC
I don't get it, how would you have time to scan a blockade runner?
Jaarin Kuor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-01-05 11:20:05 UTC
yeah if you were getting cargo scanned in a blockade runner before you were doing it wrong lol
this change makes no difference
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-01-05 14:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Celeste Taylor wrote:
I'm not fond of the change since I assume many of the other Viators out there have more valuable cargo than mine.

Terrorfrodo wrote:
Myself, I actually never transport really valuable stuff with my Viator, I use CovOps or Recons instead. Viator is for bulkier items with no great value if I have to go through low, null or w-space. But of course the gankers can't know that.


Are you safer flying in a Force Recon over a Blockade Runner? They don't have as many hit points and have a larger sig if I remember. I also think that the BR's align time is a bit better. I might do the training for Recon anyways since it is a short amount of training for me if the no scanning BR becomes an issue especially since I don't tend to do big hauls.


Cyno V in one alt, pick reccon, light your covert cyno and jump your blops full of goodies. Godwin travel, no risk.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne

Brynj Spirum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-01-05 18:23:57 UTC
Obvious excuse to nerf orca cargo bay is obvious. (Not that I care P)

I've run billions in goods out of Jita to the other trading hubs in my Viator in a single run. Shot at? I've never been locked! Hell, I've lost only one in null-sec. If you are dieing in high-sec, you are doing it wrong. So very, very wrong.

1. Instant undock bookmarks.
2. No autopilot.

If you can't figure this out, do yourself a favor. Quit.
Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-01-05 19:53:43 UTC
My BR still has large rigs in it. I don't recall ever being locked successfully, let alone blown up.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-01-05 20:15:27 UTC
The changes are not really relevant to anyone who isn't AFK. Blockade Runners are pretty safe axcept on the undock anyways.

As for the AFKers, as usual, pop them when you see them. Not for the value of their cargo, but for the lesson. *shrug*

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-01-05 21:04:44 UTC
I tried ganking a Hulk with a Prorator.

Didn't work out so well. I hope they do better at transporting stuff.
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#49 - 2013-01-05 23:29:40 UTC
As a supplier, I am grateful for all those creating renewing demand. Keep up the good work!

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#50 - 2013-01-05 23:38:25 UTC
I'm wondering why there is module that makes your cargohold harder to scan/unscannable. Ah yes, it's the same as ECM there's no real countermeasure for it.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-01-05 23:54:05 UTC
Docked them have been never safer before.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#52 - 2013-01-06 00:57:19 UTC
Jack Mayhem wrote:
Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.


EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated)
Align time: 4.1s

[Crane, max tank]
Damage Control II
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Empty the mids and put in polycarbs and istabs instead of that other crap and the align time is 3.1 seconds. For comparison that's 1 to 2 seconds faster than a Harpy or a Hawk. It's a freakin' industrial that aligns like a frigate and people are getting worried?

And it warps cloaked!

That's just nuts!

Mr Epeen Cool
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#53 - 2013-01-06 01:21:35 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
If the salvage is worth enough of a couple blaster catalysts then whatever you might get on drops it's only bonus.


Which, in an partially related note: I do hope that the gank community realizes that by using the exact same ship for every type of gank (read: blaster catalyst) then all you're doing is pushing CCP towards nerfing your blaster catalysts. Pro-gank or anti-gank, that's just how it's going to end up & you know it. If you don't want to get nerfed then use some variety at least.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Ginger Barbarella
#54 - 2013-01-06 01:25:13 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Most of those instalock alpha strikes won't come with you having those mods online.

Not to mention all the **** he added to make insta-locking even easier. Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but why help the guys who are trying to kill you?


I love seeing all those KM fits with modules that slow the ship down AND make the sig radius insanely large... Twisted Hehehehe.... Good stuff. By all means, fit your expanded cargo, overdrives, istabs, and LSE's, guys. Lol I'll bring the popcorn.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Apocryphal Noise
Close Encounters of the EVE Kind
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-01-06 01:44:34 UTC
i've been flying a 10mn mwd cloak crane through all secs for going on 8 months, never even been targeted.
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#56 - 2013-01-07 12:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Mayhem
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Most of those instalock alpha strikes won't come with you having those mods online.

Not to mention all the **** he added to make insta-locking even easier. Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but why help the guys who are trying to kill you?


I love seeing all those KM fits with modules that slow the ship down AND make the sig radius insanely large... Twisted Hehehehe.... Good stuff. By all means, fit your expanded cargo, overdrives, istabs, and LSE's, guys. Lol I'll bring the popcorn.


LSEs only decrease lock time insignificantly. Doesn't matter anyway for instalock.

You don't care about align time: 1) out of gate - it doesn't matter as you cloak instantly, 2) out of station - you should have insta-undock.

There are only TWO occasions when you are vulnerable:

1) After jumping from gate, you are <2km to other ship (happens sometimes) and can't cloak;
2) You lag a bit to cloak and someone instalocks you.

In both of these situation you really don't care how many istabs or polycarbs you have; tornado will instapop you before you can warp.

However, if you have tank, you migh as well survive ;)

WHY this fit is actually the best solution: you are flying freaking unscannable ship. The ganker has no idea whether you fly empty or with 10bil worth of BPOs. The ganker is playing a lottery, where he must minimize his costs. So the most probable scenario is that 1) you will face single alpha ship or couple of catalysts, who shoot blindly without scanning, 2) they will only attack when you make a mistake, e.g. decloak next to other ship in Niarja. For such random ganks, having tank is the only option.

So before criticizing, please try to use your brains at least a bit. kthxbye?


EDIT: actually that fit was for high-sec only. For 0.0 nothing changes at all post-changes - you are dead if you are caught, so lows should be for better align. Plus you need MWD.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#57 - 2013-01-07 12:43:40 UTC
Jack Mayhem wrote:
Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.


EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated)
Align time: 4.1s

[Crane, max tank]
Damage Control II
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Who in holy hell transports BPOs in a Blockade Runner????
pussnheels
Viziam
#58 - 2013-01-07 12:52:33 UTC
what isthe point , they always been safe , aslong you don't autpilot them, and that is for every transport/hauler even when using a normal hauler with the mwd cloak trick they are pretty hard to catch
the only time they ever caught one of maycharacters in a blockade was in null sec ( bubbles)
and even freighters aresafe aslong you take precautions

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-01-07 13:10:38 UTC
I never haul anything of much value in my Prowler in Empire, I generally use it just because its very quick when fit for loads under ~4k or less.

As for loosing one in empire? I guess it would be possible if one were to lag right as you tried to cloak, but other than that not so much. I still have the first Cheetah I ever bought. (with large rigs and a Micro Cap battery) I also have yet to lose a BR despite hitting tons of bubble camps and moving items in and out of null (Even NPC null) with them.

Empire is still far safer for a BR then null ever was. I can' t speak for the others but a Prowler at least has enough HP to survive a volley from a Tornado even they somehow managed to lock you.
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#60 - 2013-01-07 14:08:05 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Jack Mayhem wrote:
Actually Crane looks pretty good for transporting valuable BPOs.


EHP: 43.3k (51.8k overheated)
Align time: 4.1s

[Crane, max tank]
Damage Control II
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Who in holy hell transports BPOs in a Blockade Runner????


But...but... what if my BPOs take more than 1k m3!?

And yes, correct way is to tank T3 to the teeth and use it as transport.