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Freight Can Anchoring?
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Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#1 - 2012-12-04 13:41:18 UTC
I was informed I couldn't anchor Freight Cans, is this true? Can you not jettison them from Freighters as of Retribution? (I thought since it stated that Freighters could jettison, it meant they could jettison the only can they could use), and would I not be able to anchor them if I could?

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Nu Genesis
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-04 17:37:30 UTC
What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space)
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#3 - 2012-12-04 17:39:37 UTC
Nu Genesis wrote:
What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space)


I had reposted this in general and had it addressed already.

I wasn't aware Freight Containers were unanchorable, the plan was to anchor them in belts and pick them up with a Freighter later. Instead we're going to use them like super-large jetcans (since 250k ones exist now) and keep them by the Orca, then come pick it up on a Freighter later on.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Supabad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-12 21:11:25 UTC
I don't think once you jet a freight container that you can access in terms of a barge putting ore into the jettisoned container.
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#5 - 2012-12-12 21:19:25 UTC
Supabad wrote:
I don't think once you jet a freight container that you can access in terms of a barge putting ore into the jettisoned container.


This is what I'm wanting to confirm before I shell out the bill for a Freighter.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-12 22:45:24 UTC
Darenthul wrote:
Nu Genesis wrote:
What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space)


I had reposted this in general and had it addressed already.

I wasn't aware Freight Containers were unanchorable, the plan was to anchor them in belts and pick them up with a Freighter later. Instead we're going to use them like super-large jetcans (since 250k ones exist now) and keep them by the Orca, then come pick it up on a Freighter later on.


They can create jetcans and can jettison and pick up freighter containers only. Because a jetcan really isn't a "container" they can pick up goods inside them.

They cannot be anchored, but really the only thing that can pick these up are other freighters, so if someone is able to come in and "can flip" you with a freighter, you couldn't have wanted those ores to badly.


Best option is to have a freighter drop off the cans, and an Orca to move between them grabbing the ore. If you're in a system that has can flippers or high activity you might have issues but really a can flipper will only be able to grab about a jetcans worth of ore every 3 minutes.
Supabad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-12-12 23:40:52 UTC
So your mining in a belt. To access the freight container. Youwould open the jet can then right click on the freight container inside the jet can and put the ore in the freight container that way?
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-12-12 23:54:55 UTC
You can jet a freight container from a freighter and it is accessable

They CANNOT be anchored.

They DO NOT appear to despawn ( had a few floating since retribution)

They can be scooped by anyone else


I drop my cans at a safe spot, jump the orca to cans to unload and then come with a freighter later as where I am mining the nearest station is 2-3 jumps
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-12 23:55:07 UTC
Supabad wrote:
So your mining in a belt. To access the freight container. Youwould open the jet can then right click on the freight container inside the jet can and put the ore in the freight container that way?


You should be able to just open freighter can and drag / drop like you would any type of can.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#10 - 2012-12-13 00:20:34 UTC
All the joy of the pirates that are reading this thread...lol makes me giggle inside

http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing    < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#11 - 2012-12-13 15:15:35 UTC
It would seem this option has been added to return the can flipping option. Nobody jetcan mines anymore as a Mack ore hold can hold far more than a jetcan.

These new containers can be jettisoned and used as huge jetcans. Containers in space can not be locked unless they are anchored. Freight containers can not be anchored so can not be locked. Anyone can access them just like a jetcan. I would expect that if these do not despawn it is a bug as even an unanchored GSC would despawn after a few hours. Even an anchored can would despawn after what 2 weeks if not accessed.

If they do not despawn that is awesome. Using these for mining is a great way to have a massive storage available in a belt or at a safe spot in a system without a station. But it is a risk as anyone can flip the can. Although they would need a freighter to do so if they wanted to steal more than a jetcans worth of ore.

Personally I think this is a great addition. It adds another option for miners to pull in much larger hauls of ore, but at a greater risk. t would have been way over powered if you could anchor these new containers. Imagine being able to anchor a massive container anywhere, and have a locked secure storage of that size anywhere. That seems that it would be OP to me.

I have not tested yet but can you not jetison a packaged station container and use it? I know if you jetison a packaged ship it would assemble and be boardable. At least it used to. I have done this in the past with packaged cruisers in an Itty V. If these containers work the same way you could have a jetcan with 1 million or 10 million m3 capacity. You can not scoop the containers but if a freighter can pull the ore from them they could make good massive temporary storage stations. Although not secured.
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#12 - 2012-12-13 15:44:04 UTC
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#13 - 2012-12-13 16:14:02 UTC
Darenthul wrote:
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?
Supabad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-13 16:23:24 UTC
Well flippers are not a concern in my are but instead of flipping I've heard of folk just shooting the container. So I guess that would be something to watch out for.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#15 - 2012-12-13 16:38:15 UTC
Supabad wrote:
Well flippers are not a concern in my are but instead of flipping I've heard of folk just shooting the container. So I guess that would be something to watch out for.

Shocked big potetial problem there. the OLD GSC's players used to anchore had 500,000 structure HP. No HP stat on the new containers. Either they are indestructible or will pop in one shot from a frigate.Shocked
Darenthul
Anstard Armory Inc.
#16 - 2012-12-13 17:07:12 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?


I assume they only do if anchored.

"I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#17 - 2012-12-13 17:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Darenthul wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?


I assume they only do if anchored.

I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times.

you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days.

I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned.

This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans.

I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet.

P.S. One other thought. if these containers do not despawn when dropped, could you drop on in a mission room and stop the mission from despawning at down time? I am thinking of some missions sites that are loaded with ore. If leaving a ship floating in the site prevents it from despawning, then leaving a can floating in there should do the same thing.
Supabad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-12-13 17:31:07 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?


I assume they only do if anchored.

I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times.

you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days.

I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned.

This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans.

I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet.



If you get a chance check the hit points and such to please
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#19 - 2012-12-13 17:39:35 UTC
Supabad wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Darenthul wrote:
I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.

Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.

Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing.

A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?


I assume they only do if anchored.

I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times.

you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days.

I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned.

This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans.

I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet.



If you get a chance check the hit points and such to please

there is no structure hitpoints on the show info. i know the GSC's have 500,000 Structure. These may be insta popable like jetcans. I will need to test this too.
Rengerel en Distel
#20 - 2012-12-13 18:17:13 UTC
I think the safest way to use these with a mining op with only one orca would be to have the freighter drop the can at a safespot. The orca stays put, the miners go offload at the can. That way the bonus stays all the time. One miner warping out and back and losing some yield is better than everyone losing yield when the orca warps out and back.

The odds of that being flipped are much less, as it would take a few people scouting and scanning. To lessen the odds even more, the freighter could drop several cans, and people just randomly pick one to drop off at each time.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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