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Stop whining all you carebears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Kalmanaka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-10-05 18:53:03 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
Everything in =v= involves some sort of risk


Use charmap if you're in windows. 039E unicode.

ΞVΞ
Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2011-10-05 18:56:41 UTC
We just upped the whining ante:

https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/585462

Boys, grab your harpoons, we are going WHALING!!!
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#43 - 2011-10-05 18:58:33 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...


just to give you some "ideas?"

what if the crew, evaces the ship (rescue pods)?
what if we're using clone slaves, where you buy packs of 1000?
what if we're using humanoid looking androids?

srsly dude... from all your posts.... get a life.... and leave our game alone!
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#44 - 2011-10-05 19:00:52 UTC
Jokerface666 wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...


just to give you some "ideas?"

what if the crew, evaces the ship (rescue pods)?
what if we're using clone slaves, where you buy packs of 1000?
what if we're using humanoid looking androids?

srsly dude... from all your posts.... get a life.... and leave our game alone!


ROFL!! Priceless, well stated.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-10-05 19:05:00 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:


I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.



Heh, a few Goons owe me lunch, we expected people to start crying about how people doing this was an exploit and demanding Concord be buffed (AGAIN) days ago.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#46 - 2011-10-05 19:09:42 UTC
Xython wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:


I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.



Heh, a few Goons owe me lunch, we expected people to start crying about how people doing this was an exploit and demanding Concord be buffed (AGAIN) days ago.


No, I was wrong about it being an exploit, I said as much in my other post after being (finally) given a write-up on the proper functioning of Concord. To be fair, reading these forums, it all comes across as most Goons doing the crying ? I have yet to see more than 6 "miners" do any crying in the forums. Got logs instead ?



Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-10-05 19:18:48 UTC
Satav wrote:
inane babble


the vast majority of people i have seen are not complaining about the actual suicide ganking.

that's normal, and part of the game.

however, kiting CONCORD about is an exploit

circumventing the security status system is an exploit

and purposeful misuse of the 'report' function is a breach of the EULA.

three things in one event, that no players should be doing, and the CSM chairperson in particular should know better than to be doing.

so... if you see a goon with low security status flying through your system in their capsule, report them for using an exploit.

though CCP could fix two of these problems by having CONCORD target the capsules of those who enter space that their security status does not allow them to enter and banning those who mis-use the report function (repeatedly)

the kiting of CONCORD is more difficult to prove, but the logs should show when recycled alts in rookie ships are used for this purpose, as suggested by the mittani.

- Dilaro
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-10-05 19:38:43 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Satav wrote:
inane babble


the vast majority of people i have seen are not complaining about the actual suicide ganking.

that's normal, and part of the game.

however, kiting CONCORD about is an exploit

circumventing the security status system is an exploit

and purposeful misuse of the 'report' function is a breach of the EULA.

three things in one event, that no players should be doing, and the CSM chairperson in particular should know better than to be doing.

so... if you see a goon with low security status flying through your system in their capsule, report them for using an exploit.

though CCP could fix two of these problems by having CONCORD target the capsules of those who enter space that their security status does not allow them to enter and banning those who mis-use the report function (repeatedly)

the kiting of CONCORD is more difficult to prove, but the logs should show when recycled alts in rookie ships are used for this purpose, as suggested by the mittani.

- Dilaro

It's almost like you didn't read the rest of the thread. And for the record, you're dumb.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-10-05 19:56:38 UTC
Ladie Scarlet wrote:
[quote=Dilaro thagriin]
It's almost like you didn't read the rest of the thread. And for the record, you're dumb.



I assure you, i have the ability to speak.

now if you're done with the foolish insults, i was responding to the OP... not the rest of the thread, or maybe you missed that.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2011-10-05 19:58:52 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:

I assure you, i have the ability to speak.

now if you're done with the foolish insults, i was responding to the OP... not the rest of the thread, or maybe you missed that.

If you had actually read the entire thread you wouldn't have posted what you did.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-10-05 20:03:02 UTC
perhaps, or perhaps i would have..

you see, i have seen members of your alliance calling CONCORD kiting an exploit.
Circumvention of the security status system in the manner the mittani mentioned in his over-long forum post most certainly IS an exploit.
and mis use of the report function, in the exact manner that the mittani said to use it in the same post, is most certainly a breach of the EULA.

whether or not you agree, that's how i see it.. which is something i am entitled to.
I am also entitled to post my opinions on the forum.

- Dilaro.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2011-10-05 20:04:30 UTC
Dilaro thagriin wrote:
perhaps, or perhaps i would have..

you see, i have seen members of your alliance calling CONCORD kiting an exploit.
Circumvention of the security status system in the manner the mittani mentioned in his over-long forum post most certainly IS an exploit.
and mis use of the report function, in the exact manner that the mittani said to use it in the same post, is most certainly a breach of the EULA.

whether or not you agree, that's how i see it.. which is something i am entitled to.
I am also entitled to post my opinions on the forum.

- Dilaro.

You are literally wrong about every single thing in your post.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#53 - 2011-10-05 20:15:02 UTC
Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing- shooting things that can't shoot back and reaping the meager rewards appropriate to such undemanding tasks.
Jita Alt666
#54 - 2011-10-05 20:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?


I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.



Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?

5% ?
10% ?
maybe 25% ?

try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism.
Esagila
#55 - 2011-10-05 20:35:32 UTC
I agree, whining about whining is kindof lame, but the OP does make a good point. If nothing else this event will serve as a learning experience to the ignorant/new miners or serve as an indication to those that can’t stand it that they might want to switch careers.

Also I’m really glad that some forum contributors are writing guides about suicide ganking and sharing tactics/advice. Say what you want about the great mining guides, but they really don’t cover this. I personally learned the hard way, and as much as it blew I’m glad that the ganker got to be before my ships were fully rigged. I hope with all the information being shared that newer miners will be able to learn & adapt from secondhand instead of direct experience.

Still miners are dying. With that info readily available and this late in the event all I can do is really shrug.
Jita Alt666
#56 - 2011-10-05 20:35:38 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing- shooting things that can't shoot back and reaping the meager rewards appropriate to such undemanding tasks.


That is a good post.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#57 - 2011-10-05 20:36:39 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing-


However, each represents an opposite end of an Eve spectrum.

At one end, the old ethos of Eve....work, grind, save, and finally afford that new battleship or Retriever. Feel a loss when said ship is assploded.

At the other end, the new ethos......buy a couple of GTCs, convert to Plex, sell Plex, buy pew pew ships.......annoy the crap out of someone. Lather, rinse, repeat.


I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.

Deopheel Dalonne
Eridu Productions
#58 - 2011-10-05 20:43:39 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?

5% ?
10% ?
maybe 25% ?

try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism.

Terrorism is a despicable thing (and Goons, btw, not content to use IIIrd reich imagery, use the word "Jihad" in their lingo).

However, all acts of terror committed in the past 100 years are dwarfed by the numbers of casualties (both military and civillian) caused by "regular" wars (more than 30 million).

And it has always been the case, whatever the era you look at. War-related casualties always outnumber terrorism-related ones by a factor of at least 100 to 1.


Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-05 21:42:33 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?

5% ?
10% ?
maybe 25% ?

try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism.

Terrorism is a despicable thing (and Goons, btw, not content to use IIIrd reich imagery, use the word "Jihad" in their lingo).

However, all acts of terror committed in the past 100 years are dwarfed by the numbers of casualties (both military and civillian) caused by "regular" wars (more than 30 million).

And it has always been the case, whatever the era you look at. War-related casualties always outnumber terrorism-related ones by a factor of at least 100 to 1.




Slightly skewed point there. If the amount of active terrorists equaled the amount of active combatants in wartime, the number of casualties would be similar. The difference is wartime vs peacetime.
"If."
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#60 - 2011-10-05 21:47:14 UTC
Confirming I support suicide ganking.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!