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Returned player, Nostromo "macro?" Question

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Serenity Gyro
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-12-06 08:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenity Gyro
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If you're doing something more complex than could be achieved with the following, then you're possibly at risk.

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I don't even, Wait What was the question again?
Serenity Gyro
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-12-06 08:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenity Gyro
Katarina Reid wrote:
Remaping is fine but automation is banable.


Thats where i am confused, where do you draw the line between automation and remapping?

If you bind three keys with delays between example,

F (1.5 second delay) + G (1.5 second delay) + F3 (1.5 second delay) To G1 = Automation ?

Or Automation =

"Hit this one key, did this and this, and this and i just went off made a sandwich had a shower and went to work then came home and it was still doing it"

you know?

f1+f2+f3 + T = Remap Or Automation?

Or

Mine + return to vault and drop off gear then go back begin mining again then to vault,

Remapping would assume,

G1 (remap) to T = Remap?

G1 (Remap) F1+ F2 +F3 + T ?


Thankyou All,
Serenity Gyro
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-06 08:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenity Gyro
[/quote]

When you get the answer from the GM. Could you post the decision here.

Not posting the petition exactly but something like.

"Nostromo is / isn't allowed because....."

So that it can be used for future reference[/quote]

It's the least i can do to say thankyou, Sure, Ofcourse i can,

Thankyou for the headsup on how to word the reply as well, I'll remember that,


EDIT:

Dear Eve Forum, After all of this, I've actually spoken to a friend of mine who I purchased the hardware from and have decided to return this hardware to them under a terms and conditions fault (able to return in 10 days if issues arise with product)

Due to the above, ^ And all of this messing around as much as i love the razer nostromo I've decided and will attempt to return it tomorrow, This is a decision I've made purely because I was unaware that macro's were such a big issue in games these days, I'll just pickup a black widow or something, play legit, no extra side buttons or macro's due to the EULA Will be used in EVE On line in association with my account as I value it, Eliminate the problem no problem is there, However, I understand many players Wish to use this form of hardware so, I will in turn repost the response here as I believe someone sometime in the future may ask the same question,

I thank all of you for your contribution to this thread, and I understand that this is something all of you have on your mind and are curious to know.

If any of you have these boards for the time being until this thread is Answered, I encourage you to Stick with single 1 key mapping, Eg G1 = T And i discourage numerous key maps E.g F1+f2+f3 (With delays between) Until i have some form of clarification for you,

I just want to make it clear, These boards are amazing for what they are, However, As time has shown us all, fate and stupid people have ruined these boards for us and the ability to use them the way they were designed years ago,

Thankyou All Again, And when i receive a reply, you all will be the first to know,

Till next time,

~ Serenity G.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-12-06 09:52:05 UTC
Serenity Gyro wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
Remaping is fine but automation is banable.


Thats where i am confused, where do you draw the line between automation and remapping?

If you bind three keys with delays between example,

F (1.5 second delay) + G (1.5 second delay) + F3 (1.5 second delay) To G1 = Automation ?

Or Automation =

"Hit this one key, did this and this, and this and i just went off made a sandwich had a shower and went to work then came home and it was still doing it"

you know?

f1+f2+f3 + T = Remap Or Automation?

Or

Mine + return to vault and drop off gear then go back begin mining again then to vault,

Remapping would assume,

G1 (remap) to T = Remap?

G1 (Remap) F1+ F2 +F3 + T ?


Thankyou All,


Automation is...

When the program alters stuff when it finds out that it can't execute the order given.

Say you are a miner and programmed a key that activates all 3 miners on your hulk.
If the program then detects that your orehold is full and jettison when it is (and only when it is full)...That is automation...

Anything that has a program look for IF condition x is met THEN execute order y OTHERWISE execute order z
As this means the program runs the inputs to the server and not the person behind the keyboard.


Binding keys to 1 macro key just means you can order multiple things at once, but it still require you to order EVERYTHING manually.

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Serenity Gyro
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-12-06 10:29:54 UTC
[/quote]

Automation is...

When the program alters stuff when it finds out that it can't execute the order given.

Say you are a miner and programmed a key that activates all 3 miners on your hulk.
If the program then detects that your orehold is full and jettison when it is (and only when it is full)...That is automation...

Anything that has a program look for IF condition x is met THEN execute order y OTHERWISE execute order z
As this means the program runs the inputs to the server and not the person behind the keyboard.


Binding keys to 1 macro key just means you can order multiple things at once, but it still require you to order EVERYTHING manually.[/quote]


Ahhhh, I see now, thankyou for clarifying that, however, i did hear macro's were capable of doing the equivalent with delays for example, You could be afk, judge the average time, and do the same thing with correct delays in place, I believe this here is the reason Macro's on top of Bots are considered a No no due to people doing the same thing through delays and multiple macro keys, The guy who i got the nostromo off from the hardware shop told me this when i called and regarded the EULA on eve earlier today and the return policy, and according to him the EULA on wow also had a similar section in place due to this reason.


I understand now, Either way its a shame people abuse this hardware and ruin it for the majority of us who do the correct thing,

I'll still put up the reply here, but i have a feeling that keys are subject to single commands ONLY or "remap" as previously stated above, ^

Thankyou all again, Thankyou J'poll for clarifying that for me, =]
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-12-06 11:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
I wasn't allowed to set auto repeat on my key board. Im sure its just 1 click does 1 thing so no key that presses multiple keys and no repeating keys. As for programs i dont think eve bans program x they just ban you if your client is automated. My old petition "I know macro's that do lots of things are banned. Am i allowed to have the same key on auto repeat." Answer A key set to repeat would mean that action is automated. We would not be able to condone that activity.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#27 - 2012-12-06 17:49:35 UTC
I've remapped a few keys that I often use onto my mouse (Logitech G700), D for docking/jumping, A to Align, and the shortcuts to close one or all windows. I also have a Saitek Cyborg Command unit that I mapped the F keys, map, and target lock so I don't have to reach up to the keyboard so often.
Serenity Gyro
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-12-16 13:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Serenity Gyro
Update:

Dear Fellow Eve Online Players

I have received a reply and am willing to share it with you regarding this issue, Now, If you plan to link this thread to users later, please be careful due to rules and EULA being subject to change.

After Speaking to a reliable source they directed me towards the EULA (Section 6 in particular) Regarding this issue,

In summary:

"You may not use any hardware or software which enables you to do anything that goes against the policies set out in these sections, (EULA Section 6 prior & onwards regarding hardware/software/macro use) they do not condone or advocate or even encourage the use of this type of hardware/software integration within this game, there are no particular forms of hardware that are (OK) & (NOT OK) The hardware/software is entirely subject to the policies set out in the EULA and should be analyzed accordingly."

If you choose to ignore the information provided here, there are two outcomes of course, and I am Liable for neither. Also in the eyes of a "senior member" (Such as A GM or CCP Staff Rep), My comments/Quotes mean nothing I have no authority just intellect, Education & personal experience to share I have no AUTHORITY As stated So be forewarned.

To the user who wants to Err on the side of caution i recommend not using the hardware AT ALL, or if you choose too Ignore my warning 1 key remaps ONLY.

I wish you all a great Christmas and new year,

Regards Serenity G.

Note:

As stated, I am Not Liable for any losses/damage to property Online or Offline, Including but not limited to anything involving you, your account, Any of your belongings, Anything on this planet, Earth The Universe So on and So Forth, Hell even the Oxygen you're breathing right now while reading this, I'm liable for Absolutely NOTHING. =P

This thread is intended to inform & educate The unsure/uneducated user on the basic guidelines of this topic, Essentially nothing here is concrete and is about as solid as the jelly in your fridge.

I highly Recommend Contacting a GM If in doubt, Until Then,

Fly safe, and See you round.

Serenity G.
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