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cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#1 - 2012-12-03 21:54:43 UTC
The penalty is now applied for any aggressive action that results in a Criminal or Suspect flag at the point that the first action occurs. (Previously a small penalty was applied upon the initial action, and then a larger penalty if the victim was killed without retaliation).

This is a SIMPLE question.

Will stealing from someones Jettisoned Loot container give me a sec hit?

Does this mean no more 1v1's??

If so, it was nice playing eve, fly safe o7

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Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#2 - 2012-12-03 22:01:03 UTC
Since this is EVE, I thought a graph would be an appropriate answer.

Note, they've apparently changed the dictor bubble slightly, but as far as I know, everything else is still accurate.
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-12-03 22:01:08 UTC
cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#4 - 2012-12-03 22:05:04 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Twenty seconds effort


Essentially then CCP removing any hope of a 1v1...

Interesting changes. thanks for the help.

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Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-03 22:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Yusef Yeasef Yosef
cheese monkey wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Twenty seconds effort


Essentially then CCP removing any hope of a 1v1...

Interesting changes. thanks for the help.


You are reading it incorrectly.
There is no "yes" under sec status penality for can stealing.
John DaiSho
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#6 - 2012-12-03 22:08:44 UTC
Stealing from someones can will get you a suspect flag in high or lowsec, and thats it. No sec loss no nothing
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-12-03 22:15:24 UTC
I'd like to be the first flagged for Roughing-Up the Suspect.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2012-12-04 01:05:48 UTC
Tazarak theDeceiver wrote:
I'd like to be the first flagged for Roughing-Up the Suspect.


This is Eve, a universe populated almost entirely with neckbeards and basement dwellers, believe me when I say you definitly WONT be the first being flagged for that.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-04 01:08:45 UTC
Everyone's a suspect.... Straight

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Me ofcourse
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-12-04 05:22:59 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
cheese monkey wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Twenty seconds effort


Essentially then CCP removing any hope of a 1v1...

Interesting changes. thanks for the help.


You are reading it incorrectly.
There is no "yes" under sec status penality for can stealing.


what he's saying is that the 1v1 can flipping

because of the crimewatch update, when you flip a can, you get a suspect timer
and when you have a suspect timer, EVERYONE can shoot you (or at least from what i understand)
thus removing the 1v1 can flip 'tactic'

correct me if im wrong on the suspect tag
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-04 06:30:21 UTC
Just go to a safespot if you want 1v1s.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
David Campbell
Gallente Militia War Supplies
#12 - 2012-12-04 06:57:00 UTC
It may deliver a blow to 1v1 but I think it's a boost to High Sec PvP. Just imagine how many bad fitted ship flown by wanna be crime fighting heroes will aggro you once you go suspect in high sec. It's a gold mine of potential targets that would never have flipped your can with previous mechanics.
Add a juicy bounty on your head and I'm sure you'll get more action than before.

And since you'll be a legal target to anyone, a lot of people will probably get fooled by the feeling of safety provided by that green light on their HUD.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-04 07:06:17 UTC
David Campbell wrote:
It may deliver a blow to 1v1 but I think it's a boost to High Sec PvP. Just imagine how many bad fitted ship flown by wanna be crime fighting heroes will aggro you once you go suspect in high sec. It's a gold mine of potential targets that would never have flipped your can with previous mechanics.
Add a juicy bounty on your head and I'm sure you'll get more action than before.

And since you'll be a legal target to anyone, a lot of people will probably get fooled by the feeling of safety provided by that green light on their HUD.


Seriously, I killed a dude with at /least/ 80M SP who was trying to kill my 3 day old Thrasher alt with his capacitor-rigged Malediction. My thrasher also had unbonused guns, and this was before Crucible so it still had the rate of fire penalty.

It was hilarious.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-04 07:18:03 UTC
cheese monkey wrote:
The penalty is now applied for any aggressive action that results in a Criminal or Suspect flag at the point that the first action occurs. (Previously a small penalty was applied upon the initial action, and then a larger penalty if the victim was killed without retaliation).

This is a SIMPLE question.

Will stealing from someones Jettisoned Loot container give me a sec hit?

Does this mean no more 1v1's??

If so, it was nice playing eve, fly safe o7


What, you expect to be able to do something illegal and just get away with it?

So... you think a shoplifter shouldn't have his face pinned to the store noticeboard watchlist?

If you can't handle the consequences of your actions, then good riddance to ya.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-12-04 07:25:28 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
cheese monkey wrote:
The penalty is now applied for any aggressive action that results in a Criminal or Suspect flag at the point that the first action occurs. (Previously a small penalty was applied upon the initial action, and then a larger penalty if the victim was killed without retaliation).

This is a SIMPLE question.

Will stealing from someones Jettisoned Loot container give me a sec hit?

Does this mean no more 1v1's??

If so, it was nice playing eve, fly safe o7


What, you expect to be able to do something illegal and just get away with it?

So... you think a shoplifter shouldn't have his face pinned to the store noticeboard watchlist?

If you can't handle the consequences of your actions, then good riddance to ya.

I'm more concerned about bounty hunters who won't be able to do their job properly because everybody will be allowed to shoot at their target even if the killright was sold exclusively to them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vile EnEon
Breast Augmentation Charity Society
#16 - 2012-12-04 07:26:43 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Twenty seconds effort


Great and all, still fails to mention HOW MUCH of a sec status hit will a Logi Alt get for repping a suspect?

Are logi alts going to have to grind sec status to stay in hi-sec

What if I steal something from a can as a logi, THEN rep my fellow suspect?

I got tomorrow off, I hope and PRAY the patch goes smoothly as the tears should be Epic.

Hi-Sec will be a graveyard of wrecks that everyone will avoid like the plague..

IT WILL BE EPIC!!! Pirate
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-04 07:27:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
cheese monkey wrote:
The penalty is now applied for any aggressive action that results in a Criminal or Suspect flag at the point that the first action occurs. (Previously a small penalty was applied upon the initial action, and then a larger penalty if the victim was killed without retaliation).

This is a SIMPLE question.

Will stealing from someones Jettisoned Loot container give me a sec hit?

Does this mean no more 1v1's??

If so, it was nice playing eve, fly safe o7


What, you expect to be able to do something illegal and just get away with it?

So... you think a shoplifter shouldn't have his face pinned to the store noticeboard watchlist?

If you can't handle the consequences of your actions, then good riddance to ya.

I'm more concerned about bounty hunters who won't be able to do their job properly because everybody will be allowed to shoot at their target even if the killright was sold exclusively to them.


bounty hunting will remain a nonexistent profession no matter what CCP does because, for one, you "buy" kill rights (paying for the privilege to fight someone else's battles) and two, bounty payouts are worthless unless you kill them in something /very/ shiny

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Wirblewind FROMAN
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#18 - 2012-12-04 07:44:28 UTC
For those of you worried about 1v1's and DIDNT read the patch notes here you go

Limited Engagements
A Limited Engagement is a temporary flag between a pair of characters allowing them to legally fight each other.
A Limited engagement is created when a global target is attacked by someone who cannot be legally attacked back.
It will expire if no offensive combat occurs between the two characters for 5 minutes.
A list of all your Limited Engagements is displayed along with the other combat flags in the upper-left area of the client.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-12-04 08:03:17 UTC
Wirblewind FROMAN wrote:
A Limited engagement is created when a global target is attacked by someone who cannot be legally attacked back.

Global target.
Not 1v1.
Thank you very much.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Wirblewind FROMAN
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#20 - 2012-12-04 08:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Wirblewind FROMAN
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Wirblewind FROMAN wrote:
A Limited engagement is created when a global target is attacked by someone who cannot be legally attacked back.

Global target.
Not 1v1.
Thank you very much.



A Limited Engagement is a temporary flag between a pair of characters allowing them to legally fight each other.

Good job for not reading.

Its just ONE of the flags its not the only one.
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