Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with that, but as long as a pod can bump a carrier... why not suspend belief?

We can always call it a sacrifice of space. It's not that the non-warp should can't fit one, just that it has removed it and put something else in it's place.

Are you not basically suggestions something we Already have ... Drones.

I think the idea is that these would be player piloted.

And from Fozzie's response, and given a conversation during the New Eden Open about how he was very disappointed that Motherships did not actually deploy hordes of player-piloted ships, I think I see where this is going and it sounds intriguing.

So I was worried about all your pilots getting podded or having their ships stolen while they operated the non warp ship ... and the solution is in this thread; Deployable Point Defense Platforms



I'm not sure about his other ideas, but point #4 is genius, it removes all the complexity ... might this same system be applied to existing POS turrets as well?

To remove the complexity even more, maybe his this module is more lie a Tactical Network DESIGNATOR and is just a glorified target painter. You paint the dreadnaught and the Point Defense Platform shoot's it.

Hmm, i can sniff your idea ...

Some old spaceship from the past ... maybe first-generation of the ships of space travel of the empires .. like Wostok, Mercury ... or a little younger ... some of the first hauler, missed in the space between planets and forgotten and drifting now away from the star ...

Hmm, could be funny ... more collector items for Chribba \o/

what would be a viable work around to achieve a similar and more viable use:

is when opting to use a clone vat bay, before transferring the pilot, prompt a list of available hulls (including a capsule, for the equivalent of 'no ship') to deploy to the field in, this list is comprised of all vessels in the destination ship's SMB.

upon selecting one, the ship is removed from the SMB, placed on grid in proximity to the ship it was just in, with the pilot that just clone jumped inside.

with this as a foundation a set of specialised non-warp capable ships could be deployed effectively in the manner you initially described, with relatively minor changes to existing mechanics.


(a system similar to this may already exist for the clone vat bay - i personally have never used one, it is my understanding however that it simply spawns the jump clone in a capsule in space and a ship must then be boarded manually from the SMB)

I was with you until this point.

Why would anyone fly in using a ship just to leave it and board another ship?

I mean, odds are these would be rookie/frigate sized ships, so coming in a rookie/frigate would defeat the purpose.

Why not just give the ship a warp drive and let it get there on it's own?

Now, what I'm kinda looking at is the Cylon motherships from Battlstar Gallactica.

Instead of the ships being inside, they would be attached to the outside of the ship, and the player would be sitting in them.

This would require a new ships both as the carrier and the fighter ships.

Perhaps it could be the new motherships.

Now, these ships wouldn't be hefty ships by any means, and the mothership wouldn't be able to hold a crap ton of them, but perhaps maybe 20-30?

Now, there would be different ships with different roles, but none of them would have significant tank.

So, ewar ships, dps ships, possibly logi ships, etc. etc...

The mothers and the fighters would basically be designed as hit and run.

The bonus of the mother ships is that they could cyno to any system within range without having someone to open the other end.

HOWEVER, they could not bring any ships with them other than the fighters attached to them.

Example

Mothership
Burtha - Capable of holding 20 fighters at base.
Carrier skill bonus - 1 additional fighter per lvl
Mothership - able to fit 1 additional landing platform per lvl

Landing platform - High slot module.. Gives mother ships the capability of carrying 1 additional fighter pilot.

Fighters
Tick - requires frigates 5, and fighters 1. Bonus to cap warfare modules per frigate lvl, bonus to cap warfare module range per lvl

Flee - requires frigates 5, and fighters 1. Bonus to velocity with frigs, bonus to web strength with fighters.

Moth - same requirement. Bonus to warp disruptor range.

Mosquito - same requirements. Bonus to small turret optimal, bonus to small turret dps(high bonuses).

Hornet - same requirements. bonus to rocket range, bonuse to rocket dps (high bonuses).

Queen Bee - same requirements, bonus to small shield/armor transport effectiveness, bonus the small shield/amor transport range.

In the case of all these ships the only slots they have are in relation to their bonuses. So
Tick - 2 highs, not turret/launcher hardpoints.
Flee - 2 mids, no highs
Moth - 2 mids, no highs
Mosquito - 3 highs, turret hardpoints.
Hornet - 3 highs, missile hardpoints.
Queen Bee - 2-3 highs, no hardpoints.

In the case of all ships, their tanking capability is determined by their range from the mothership.
0-5km - high resists, high shield recharge/nanite repair rate (yes armored ships could rep themselves)
5-10km - mod resists, high recharge/self repair
10-15km - mod resists, mod recharge/self rep
15-20km - low resists, low recharge/self rep
20-30km - low resists
30km or more - base resists no recharge/rep

All ships would have a standard velocity of 1500m/s, however, that would be mwd. They all have mwd's at base
If hit with a warp scram, their base speed is 300m/s.

A mothership would have mids and lows for defense and possibly the addition of modules that bonus the ships output to the fighter bonuses in either range or effectiveness.

Would be highly tanked and have and have all the same benefits/negatives of a super carrier.

Now, they would have a ship maint. bay, but only fighters would be allowed inside the ship.
So, while it would only be able to field 30 pilots, it would still have a bay to carry replacements, and a fleet hangar to carry ammo and modules if needed.


So, the mothership would not be capable of any type of damage modules.
It would only have 5 highs, so if it wished to fit anything in the high slots it would have to give up a pilot per slot.
It's mids/lows would be dedicated towards tank and output bonusing modules, so attempting to fit anything different would cost tank and/or bonuses.
These small ships could be devistating against small fleets with bad tracking and no small ship defenses, where a fleet with webs/scrams, and good tracking would pwn these fighters.

At any time the mothership could leave the fighters behind. When the mothership isn't on grid these ships lose all the bonuses coming from the mothership, but also gain the ability to cloak.

So, a mothership could drop them at a bait point and warp off so that the fighters could cloak.
Then, once they pick a target the mothership could come in and bonus them.

So, not only would these ships be designed for hit and run behind enemy lines, but they would also be capable of setting up sneak attacks.

(the names aren't meant to be their true names, but are simply used as a guide)

Great idea, huge potential. I'd love it if CCP looked closely at this.

Your right, it all depends on how you think of it.

i was in the navy 10 years and there is talk about a missile platform that is drug around from another ship. its sole purpose is to provide missiles for the fleet. any ship that is linked up will be able to request a certain type of missile and itll be shot in the air for u to take control of.

that being said, we could have a defender missile platform for fleet ops that we tow and deploy for protection. or something kewl.
mining capabilities would be industrial ship 5 or something and then this mining vessle. maybe it has 6 turret slots and a 500k ore cargo hold, maybe it goes 50 m/s, maybe get bonuses to laser range (30k) and bonuses to roid scanners. maybe it has a 200 m3 drone bay for mining drones only. for every rank of this ship, you gain 1 extra drone so it can be a "mining mothership".

down side, no warp. must be carried in. slow with very little maneuverability...no escape.
but man can it suck down the roids.

it would need all the appropriate drone skills to fly drones. maybe we can have 5m3, 10m3 and 25m3 mining drones.

who knows, the possibilities are endless. the idea is solid and has merrit.

kudo's to ya...