EVE General Discussion

I enjoy PVP even though I'm not that good at it yet so I leave High Sec every weekend (usually just do a mission or something after work before bed on weekdays)... A very well fit rifter is easilly replaced with a single L4 mission in High Sec, so I'm not losing anything, just learning the ropes.

Would I leave high sec in one of my fancier ships? Heck no, not until I get better at not getting blowed up.

What does it matter what they do if you aren't war decced?

I leave high sec all the time, but I can tell you why I prefer high. There's more to do in high and more freedom. In null you have to follow alliance rules and orders. Join fleets when you are told. Dock up when you are told.

It's kind of like why, in The Matrix that one guy (Cypher?) preferred to be in the Matrix and wanted to get put back in. Even though he lived in the real world on the ship, his life was restricted. He actually had less freedom than in the Matrix.

Living in high is more like being in the Matrix. I can go to WH, low or even null space. I can pvp, mission, mine, trade, explore. In null I just do what I'm told to do and in my spare time kill rats.

Thankfully, that guy died a horrible death



If that's your experience, man were you in the wrong corp or alliance.

Plus also they camp the choke points. I dont get why you guys want to argue that the way to null is easy? Its not, yes it can be done but mor etimes then not bc of warp bubbles and cans in said bubbels its most times gonna end in ship loss. If your new chances are even worse. This is why people dont go there unless they blob up.

Saying its easy or because you can make it now and then doesnt change the truth that they camp the hell out of it. look at your map check the casualty report its obvious.

While ignoring the basic premise that the number of characters per account is 2 and a bit but a lot of Hi-sec accounts have only the one character with an SP above 5mill. Lets face it if they trained up multiple characters it would effect the abilities of their main. While most Null accounts are likely to have 2 or more likely 3 characters over that so they have their Null character and a Hi-sec Mission Runner and a trading alt as well (or a decent cyno alt)
The best argument against your wild claims are actually the CSM voting, as you are claiming 2/3 of the game are non-hi-sec why did so few vote for Null? simple answer is that out of 400k accounts only 30k voted for Null. The majority of the game is apathetic hi-sec account owners

Edit: Oh and if your statistics were even close to right then Null would not look like a ghost town.

On average according to the last figures provided by ccp, there are 4000+ ships killed every day in null sec (7 million + over 4 and some change years).

That's a mighty violent ghost town.

What is a "blop"? What is a "super cap"? Sorry....not familiar with the lingo.

I will admit, your analysis is mostly correct. I do have a very type "A" personality. Not in the sense that I'm over aggressive or disagreeable in the real world, I guess I enjoy 0.0 in EVE because I can let my passions run wild. In real life, I work as part of different teams, I feed my pets, I cut my grass, I pay my income taxes, I am your typical twenty-something American living on his own.

Truth is, I enjoy working with others, and enjoy order and calm. And that's sort of the two appeals to 0.0 for me:

1) I can be whom I "want" to be. I can project parts of myself that I can't elsewhere. EVE is one of the only games where I feel like with enough friends, isk, and initiative I can do literally anything. I can be an intergalactic space pope. I've lead fleets, alliances, and now I enjoy just flying in gangs and relaxing. But I could literally do and be the person I wanted to be, without worrying about the consequences of failure like I would in my normal life. There is no praetorian whispering in my ear "Remember Caesar, thou art mortal", I can take risks and win or lose and have fun doing it.

2) In 0.0, I can bring true order to my own house. I was sucked in by EVE when EVE first came out because the idea of building something of my own and owning it, making my own rules and dictating my own destiny appealed to me. I can get rich in highsec, but I don't feel any sense of "belonging" When I'm coming back from a roam and I jump into our home system, I feel a relief, like getting home from work and kicking the shoes off and relaxing, job well done. And I'm usually still alive, +1 for that!

I guess it depends less on what 0.0 can do for me, or what highsec can do for me, and what kind of emotional and social experience I want to have. I enjoy spending my free time teaching new players and working to improve the game, trading, and doing all sorts of things, but I love 0.0 because when I want to get down to business, there is always killing that needs doing.

To ride along with a few other posts though, no, 0.0 is not friendly. Lowsec is not friendly. It was not kind to me when I first started in it. I died many times, frustrated and confused. But something awoke in me when I did -- there is a competition in me that rose up and I wanted to go from prey to predator. I didn't give up on 0.0 because i felt like I was failing if I did.

I'm an old character, I'm already rich, I don't need to make ISK or trade, truthfully, anymore. What's left to me then, is the killing. The endless, endless killing. Because I want to help breed a new generation of predators, and I want to do it the way I was raised: fly or die.

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I am also thrilled how this thread has taken off...I am enjoying reading these different opinions. Some perspectives being presented I had never thought of before so I am enjoying it very much.

That would only mean that there's even fewer true highseccers and that those character counts are comprised of even larger number of non-highsec alts… but that's assuming that it's true to begin with, which remains to be seen.

…and that's how we arrive at the conclusion that a mere 2/3ds is a low estimate for how many non-highseccers there are out there.

…except that it's not 30k out of 400k. It's 30k out of 58k (and that's before even disputing the notion of “voting for null”). Just because voters are apathetic does not mean they live in highsec. As for the ghost town, you do realise that we're still talking about 1/3 of the inhabitants you see in-game being spread out over 86% of the available space… so no, it doesn't particularly question anything about CCP's statistics.


“Blop” = BlackOps ships — T2 battleships that can jump itself and other ships to covert cynos. They are themselves rather flimsy and not all that good for front-line work.
“Super cap” = Supercarriers and Titans — the highest tiers of ships, which can only be built in player-owned space and which can only move between systems through the use of cynos. They are also too large to fit through wormholes.

W-Space cannot be owned and cannot be accessed through cynos, so the threat of a blackops gating in a bunch of stealth bombers and/or recons is zero because it's impossible to do so, and supercaps can quite simply never appear in such systems.