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'Star Trek 2.0 II' : UPDATED Post 121

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#21 - 2012-12-03 20:39:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Sounds more like someone with "supernatural" powers, of which Khan had none. And he most definitely was not a member of starfleet, in this universe or the other one.


Khan was a genetically altered superhuman.

So, a ship changed course because of the events of the first film. They find Khan and his crew, who take their ship over and he heads back to earth and infiltrates star-fleet. Kirk's mother is killed as a casualty of his war.

Khan, and his crew, have no moral code as a side-effect of genetic manipulation, Jovian style.

That fits the synopsis, perfectly.

AK

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2012-12-03 20:54:28 UTC
Welp, we shall know in a few days when the first 9 minutes of the movie will be shown before "The Hobbit".

I actually pray that we are both wrong, just because you are so idiotically adamant, with reasons not worthy of the most inept Troll.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-12-03 21:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
AlleyKat wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Sounds more like someone with "supernatural" powers, of which Khan had none. And he most definitely was not a member of starfleet, in this universe or the other one.


Khan was a genetically altered superhuman.

So, a ship changed course because of the events of the first film. They find Khan and his crew, who take their ship over and he heads back to earth and infiltrates star-fleet. Kirk's mother is killed as a casualty of his war.

Khan, and his crew, have no moral code as a side-effect of genetic manipulation, Jovian style.

That fits the synopsis, perfectly.

AK



Except that you had to do some creative contorting in your explanation to make Khan a somewhat plausible choice. Not to mention it doesn't explain how he could detonate the fleet. He was certainly smart, but still a relic of the past with no ways or resorces in his disposal to achieve all that. Entire empires of that time period would struggle to do that. In the first film a comparable feat of power required time traveling as explanation. A one man superweapon strongly points to a TOS villain and if we limit the choice to likely human ones, it's very likely Gary Mitchell. He is a star fleet officer, friend of Kirk, gains access to superpowers and thinks of himself as a god. Fits much better with no contorting being necessary.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#24 - 2012-12-03 21:16:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
New Teaser Poster:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/10424/original/stid.jpg?1354531077


Here I was thinking Christopher Nolan wasnt doing Batman agai.....wait...wha?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2012-12-03 21:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
I just found out for real.

The villian is Cyrano Jones, this time with a deadly load of Tribbles that mean business.

edit: Hey, it makes perfect sense with AlleyKatz' reasoning.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#26 - 2012-12-04 01:37:50 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Except that you had to do some creative contorting in your explanation to make Khan a somewhat plausible choice. Not to mention it doesn't explain how he could detonate the fleet. He was certainly smart, but still a relic of the past with no ways or resorces in his disposal to achieve all that. Entire empires of that time period would struggle to do that. In the first film a comparable feat of power required time traveling as explanation. A one man superweapon strongly points to a TOS villain and if we limit the choice to likely human ones, it's very likely Gary Mitchell. He is a star fleet officer, friend of Kirk, gains access to superpowers and thinks of himself as a god. Fits much better with no contorting being necessary.


I see what you're sayin', but Gary Mitchell didn't have a successful movie made after him that made 800% profit.

I like Star Trek, but until this thread came into being, I had no fuckin' clue who Gary Mitchell was.

Khan, we know - and the only movie 'Gary' I can think of, is Anthony Michael Hall's character in 'Weird Science', and I only remember that because of boobies and insane l33t hacking skills

Annnnnd, we're back to british accents with Kelly LeBrock...kinda.

AK

This space for rent.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#27 - 2012-12-04 02:18:07 UTC
It's probably Darth Vader.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2012-12-04 04:02:16 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Except that you had to do some creative contorting in your explanation to make Khan a somewhat plausible choice. Not to mention it doesn't explain how he could detonate the fleet. He was certainly smart, but still a relic of the past with no ways or resorces in his disposal to achieve all that. Entire empires of that time period would struggle to do that. In the first film a comparable feat of power required time traveling as explanation. A one man superweapon strongly points to a TOS villain and if we limit the choice to likely human ones, it's very likely Gary Mitchell. He is a star fleet officer, friend of Kirk, gains access to superpowers and thinks of himself as a god. Fits much better with no contorting being necessary.


I see what you're sayin', but Gary Mitchell didn't have a successful movie made after him that made 800% profit.

I like Star Trek, but until this thread came into being, I had no fuckin' clue who Gary Mitchell was.

Khan, we know - and the only movie 'Gary' I can think of, is Anthony Michael Hall's character in 'Weird Science', and I only remember that because of boobies and insane l33t hacking skills

Annnnnd, we're back to british accents with Kelly LeBrock...kinda.

AK


When they made Wrath of Khan, only hardcore fans knew who he even was.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-12-04 04:21:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Except that you had to do some creative contorting in your explanation to make Khan a somewhat plausible choice. Not to mention it doesn't explain how he could detonate the fleet. He was certainly smart, but still a relic of the past with no ways or resorces in his disposal to achieve all that. Entire empires of that time period would struggle to do that. In the first film a comparable feat of power required time traveling as explanation. A one man superweapon strongly points to a TOS villain and if we limit the choice to likely human ones, it's very likely Gary Mitchell. He is a star fleet officer, friend of Kirk, gains access to superpowers and thinks of himself as a god. Fits much better with no contorting being necessary.


I see what you're sayin', but Gary Mitchell didn't have a successful movie made after him that made 800% profit.

I like Star Trek, but until this thread came into being, I had no fuckin' clue who Gary Mitchell was.

Khan, we know - and the only movie 'Gary' I can think of, is Anthony Michael Hall's character in 'Weird Science', and I only remember that because of boobies and insane l33t hacking skills

Annnnnd, we're back to british accents with Kelly LeBrock...kinda.

AK


When they made Wrath of Khan, only hardcore fans knew who he even was.


That wasn't me as I was born in '83

Still don't know who he was P

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#30 - 2012-12-04 04:25:19 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When they made Wrath of Khan, only hardcore fans knew who he even was.


When they made Wrath of Khan, there was no internet and my house was one of 4 in the village which had colour television...with 3 channels.

AK


This space for rent.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-12-04 04:29:05 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
When they made Wrath of Khan, only hardcore fans knew who he even was.


When they made Wrath of Khan, there was no internet and my house was one of 4 in the village which had colour television...with 3 channels.

AK




Well, aren't you one of the 1% Evil

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-12-04 04:40:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
New Teaser Poster:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/10424/original/stid.jpg?1354531077

With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2012-12-04 05:28:40 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
New Teaser Poster:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/10424/original/stid.jpg?1354531077

With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.


I see the the gherkin too. Its London.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2012-12-04 12:02:18 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

That wasn't me as I was born in '83

Still don't know who he was P



It's still hard to grasp for me that people were being born when I was finishing my Senior year in HS.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2012-12-04 12:04:08 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
New Teaser Poster:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/10424/original/stid.jpg?1354531077

With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.



Or mayhaps San Francisco gets one before the 23rd Century.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#36 - 2012-12-04 13:38:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
New Teaser Poster:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/10424/original/stid.jpg?1354531077

With that Ferris Wheel by the river, I am guessing London.


I see the the gherkin too. Its London.


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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#37 - 2012-12-04 13:43:07 UTC
Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?

Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?



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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2012-12-04 13:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Brujo Loco wrote:
Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?

Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?






Actually, this would have been the worst idea.

Montalban's towering performance here is too iconic for just anyone to step into the shoes....much less the Cumberbatch fellow who does indeed play the villain.

An actor can upstage an already iconic performance as Heath Ledger did to Nicholson's take on the Joker.

But Richard Cumberbatch is no Heath Ledger.



edit: also the synopsis says villlain was a member of Starfleet as shown above......ipso facto not Khan. I wouldn't want to see that hypothetical film anyway.

And if it is Gary Mitchell......will we see Sally Kellerman's character as well........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Reiisha
#39 - 2012-12-04 14:56:24 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Brujo Loco wrote:
Yessss ... also ... Khan? Really? Khan?

Evil dictator from the eugenic wars, enslaver and destroyer of millions?






Actually, this would have been the worst idea.

Montalban's towering performance here is too iconic for just anyone to step into the shoes....much less the Cumberbatch fellow who does indeed play the villain.

An actor can upstage an already iconic performance as Heath Ledger did to Nicholson's take on the Joker.

But Richard Cumberbatch is no Heath Ledger.



edit: also the synopsis says villlain was a member of Starfleet as shown above......ipso facto not Khan. I wouldn't want to see that hypothetical film anyway.

And if it is Gary Mitchell......will we see Sally Kellerman's character as well........


Many people didn't believe Hedger was good either, untill they saw the finished movie. Even after his suicide they said he was going to suck...

I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#40 - 2012-12-04 14:59:36 UTC
Reiisha wrote:


I wouldn't count Cumpterbach out yet. I only know him from Sherlock but there he was pretty damn good.



I'm not disagreeing with you as to his acting capabilities, but he is no Khan.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882