Warfare & Tactics

How dare you, sir!

Wow. Some good responses in there(thank you, antigoone and Gizznitt). I will look into taking the battle to Goon in nullsec. it's so hard taking training time from your main. :P

I had some more thoughts. One, according to the Goon's own public strategy(looking at you, Feligast), Goon may rely on warping to alts that are stationed right next to a potential gank-tim. In that case, Mack/Cov/Hulk pilots, keep yourselves moving by orbiting your asteroids. Yeah, you don't move fast(70m/s?), but it takes 10-15 seconds to arrive at a warp-point, maybe more. By then, you'll be 700m away from his warp-in position. Since they're using blasters, that's a considerable distance, possibly enough to take you out of falloff. Maybe equip an T2 AB(on Macks or Hulks; don't think Covs have the cap), and leave your cargo expanders at home. That might leave you out of Goon blaster range entirely, and leave them in the unenviable position of chasing you down, giving you precious seconds.

I haven't tried the above myself, and I do not see it as the ultimate fix of doom. More like one more step in protecting ourselves, and meant to be used in conjunction with other tactics.

Also, recommending reading: the Wikipedia article, or any other literature, on Anti-Submarine Warfare or ASW. Goons are performing admirably as the German U-Boats. If we want to mine ice for profit, we're going to have to adapt to them, rather than hoping they go away.

Also, why am I doing this? Why do I care? Why don't I just go mission, or mine Veldspar? Goon, bless their black hearts, can't necessarily keep up with the demand for 'topes by themselves, and they may not want to. I mean, Ice mining isn't as exciting as blowing stuff up, to many Goons. No 'topes means no Rorquals. No Rorquals means less efficient T1 and Cap Ship production in null/lowsec. That means they'll have to come to hisec for parts/resources. That means hisec parts/resource prices will go up.

Goon stated in their own Goonswarm Shrugged article that targeting the 'topes may affect the T2 industry. Well, I for one don't want to see T2 armor hardeners jump to 3-4m a pop, or higher.

So, in essence, I'm fighting because I don't want to pay more in the long run, for everything. Would all of the above happen? Maybe not. Do I want to risk it happening? Hell no. So I plan to fight.

So, thank you, Feligast and your blackhearted crew for firing up the spirits of some of those silly hisec pubbies. I hope our plans work. I hope you adapt, forcing us to think and adapt ourselves. In that way, all of us become smarter, and in the end, stronger.

So, don't fly safe, pubbies. Fly violently, fly crazy, fly laughing maniacally, but do not go gentle into that good night.

Save something for Hulkageddon, ffs.

Wasn't advising. I stated as such in my previous post. I don't even know if the tactic would work, and judging by the (much longer than anticipated) ranges on blasters, it won't. Fine. Now that that's out of the way, Khanh, since you do seem to know and had the decency to comment, do you have any actual tactics of your own to share?

As to bringing the right tool, I agree totally. However, not all Goons, particularly if they're using 10-hour toons, can use an Alphapest. And, by simple skillpoint math, there won't be as many Tempest pilots as there will be Brutix's and Thoraxes.

To everyone else, including trolls, keep them coming. Antigoone had some good points, if anyone wanted to read his article instead of trolling on it. Gizznitt made me think, and so did Khanh.

Also, shouldn't need to be said, but some troll will flame me about it anyway, sooo.... If you have a tactic you DON'T want to share, but just want to use on some poor Goon or Mackinaw, don't. This is a forum for Carebears sharing tactics so all of us have resources to fight back with. And, most importantly, to know that there are others like us who don't want to just whine to CCP about suigankers, but want to DO something in-game about it.

BTW, I'm a bit disappointed. Khanh's about the worst flamer I had so far, and he had the knowledge to back it up, and made me crunch numbers(never a bad thing). Where's all the "STFU noob? Why you noob 'rite this thread?" etc.

Fly violently all...and I feel some more flames coming on.

i can't find any covetors where are they

i'm going through withdrawal after I podded three miners at once in a thorax

The more u cry.
The more they do it.

The crux of my post, was simply "bring the right tool for the job"

If someone wants that Mack dead, they will kill it.

Remote reps on the barge will save you from a Thorax, but, shockingly, you can see that before engaging. All that happens, is they put the message in the channel for an alpha strike. Imagining there is a shortage of toons able to fly a Tempest or Apoc won't get you very far.

For every inventive scenario you think of, there is an equally effective counter waiting in the wings.

The only winning move is not to play.

OUR ICE-MINING BACKBONE

Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........

Our miners employ sophisticated anti-SB techniques. I'd dare you to try to cut your teeth on them, but our logistics team would have my hide if we lost any belt productivity.