EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

I would pay 100 times over.. (oh wait, it was free).. 1000 times over to watch the next one... ..

The whole thing overall seemed to go very well. I enjoyed the whole show on the last day, delays and all.

Learned a lot from the content you guys provided..

Much thanks to the own3D TV people for makin this kick ass !!

Thanks to Razer for continued support too...

Appreciate all the hard work behind the scenes to make this happen from CCP staff .. on top of busting their asses for Retribution...

so what about the tournament winner prediction give aways?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173295



and for the criticism:
1) I had a blast. Great Tournament!

2) no bracket graphics ... I have never seen any tournament without a visual of the bracket situation ... how am I supposed to keep track of the tournament?
I complained about this every week and foxfour and whomever took note ... nothing changed in the course of 3 weeks. Is it that difficult to prepare them?
3) your team info slides looked ******

Organizing enough people to practice can be one of the biggest obstacles for many teams, especially the smaller ones. It would be good if team size in each match was kept small in future tournaments. Maybe bring it down from 12 to 10 again or even 8 for alliance tournaments. Matches will be easier to follow and each pilot will matter that much more.

make "blind" banning: teams see opponents bans only when all bans are done.

or just dont tell first ban to team that bans second, because it gives advantage that based on random.

and do something with cap transfer turtles (seriously, that last Hitama-Ronin match was absolutely not cool).


also yeah, cash prizes are irrelevant (unless it is really huge numbers like in dota tournaments).
give more isk and unique ships instead.

and more importantly INGAME DECORATIONS (who needs medals that collect dusts in my hangar?? i need HUGE banner all over my avatar in eve that I AM SUPER TOUGH)

i did not like the bans
i missed something exciting like the arena shrinking in size over time as the fight progresses
i didnt like the reflection of the bluescreen in the table
i feel alot of small hiccups could have been easily avoided with a test broadcast
i am sad alot of the mistake were being repeated during the tournament like the sounds issues
i did not like the middle weekend being in the Thanksgiving weekend
i missed at least the big names, or the single big alliance teams

I have a point in relation to the "bars". While I was watching the replays of my matches, I felt slightly upset that the tremendously large amount of remote sensor boosting and projected ECCM on most of my setups was not able to be indicated to the viewers and thus let both them and the commentators understand why we were still in many cases able to shoot.

For example, there is the Attack bar, and for a direct comparison to that we look at in the Defence bar on the opposing team. This gives both viewers and commentators some sort of idea of each teams ability to deal with the amount of "attack", this results in an easily understandable comparison for the viewers and is great.

However, for the control bar, we only have an idea of the offensive side but no understanding how the opponents team can deal with that defensively. As much as a shield booster is a counter to a gun, a sensor booster, or more importantly, a remote sensor booster is a counter to a sensor dampener. Like wise ECCM and Projected ECCM are the counters for offensive Jamming modules. You could even argue that the possible speed of a team is a counter to long range webbing.

I feel it would be great in the next tournament if we could somehow be made aware through the tournament UI bars of each teams defensive ability against offensive E-War modules.

First of all, im not kinda forum warrior so ill try to be very short on comments.

Tournament was great and i honestly hope we can see 2 of these tourneys a year.

What I feel bad is ingame reward. I was discussing it with my team, and we all agree it would be much better if we could get some piece of eve history (some kind of unique ship, item or something like that) that could lure more teams. Cash price is allways welcomed :)


Comments where good and cameraman did his job very well.
Banning rule looks great, and i would like to have it in all upcoming tourneys.

very good job CCP and thnx for having me in Jovian space :)

I will add some ideas how to make tourney more attractive for more players.

1) Make it available for everyone. Entry fee should be reasonable (5 PLEX max) and all teams should be accepted. Adjust format to accept all teams. Strong teams with tourney history could get free pass through 1st round of pre-qualification, all others will fight at least one battle in tourney arena.

2) Make it even cheaper. Dont allow hardwirings. This is only advantage for big rich teams. Bans were great. But 40mins between bans and fight means that you have to have ready many more ships then you will need. Longer interval would allow to have fewer ships fitted. (And bans should be blinded because advantage of second ban is really huge)

3) Prices should be given to more teams - at least 8. For most players it sounds impossible to win a tourney. It sounds realistic to get into quarterfinals or semifinals. BPC with one unique ship for each quartefinalist could attract more players then 50 unique ships for a winner. I cant see any reason to give 50 ships worth 2.000.000.000.000 ISKs to finalists and nothing to everyone else. Participation in a tourney is really costly and information that only finalists will be rewarded is demotivating.

4) Get rid of round robin system. Hydra's self destruct showed us why. Double elimination format was significantly better.

5) I would recommend to have much bigger tactical overlay window. Fights in arena are mostly about position in arena. But the window was too small to recognise anything.

Bigger prize pool. It really needs to be 3-4 times larger than it was to generate froth around people's jowels. If the out of game money isn't enough then throw in some in-game stuff to balance out the cost. The PLEX was nice, not going to lie.

CCP Falcon needs to spend a bit of time flying on a tournament team to get some experience. Maybe a player-run tournament, idk.

Continue to automate the arenas. Gladiator sports could become quite popular.

A much larger overview window showing positioning. Larger ship models in the commentator views?

Keep balancing the points. Stealth bombers could come down a point. Destroyers a half-point or even a full point. Industrials a point. Throw in rookie ships for 1 point? Take the logistics up a point.

Keep balancing the ships. Absos are not bad, but Astartes and Nighhawks could use some love. And maybe the EOS. The eos is not bad, but it is not great. Putting a 125m3 dronebay on it might make it better. :P

The ASB nerf was good. Turtle tanks and shield tanks in general were pretty imba. Local armor tanks are generally non-viable due to DPS/Tank tradeoff and not being able to fit oversized reppers and having to use extra slots for it. Obviously they are different "feels" I am not sure if they need to be changed or not.

The bans were good, but it was tough to get shipped if something unexpected happened. 40 minutes was tight for us, I assume it was tight for most teams. You almost have to base out of a market hub which can be tricky for some people with perpetual wardecs. To dock or switch a clone you are playing with fire.

If you want to turn it into a "game-of-skill" that would mean running it ISK-free and possibly giving people "All-5 characters" to fly in. This could be done on an arena server of some kind I guess. It depends which direction you want to go with it. Eliminating the ship/ammo/implant costs and skill trainings would eliminate all the barriers to entry other than the PLEX entry fee and put all teams on equal footing. It is something to try, anyway. Hell if you do this then throw in all the unique cruisers and frigates and see how a tournament like that goes. It would certainly add some spice to the format for a tournament.

I assume CCP will continue to iterate and improve on the successes that came up this tournament. For the first tournament of it's kind is was very successful. I hope to see more of these in the months to come.

Overall, I thought the tourney was phenomenal. As a spectator, I thought there was a good balance between flash and substance in both the commentating and presentation.

I have seen some very interesting comments in this thread so far, particularly those from people who participated in the tourney. I liked the new bars, but after reading through the thread, I wonder if they may become a slippery slope. For instance, as was said elsewhere, offense and defense are good, obvious "counters", but there are no clear indications of ECM effectiveness or the presence or effect of ECCM. Cap warfare is such an integral part of these engagements, but barely portrayed at all in the overlay. So including this information could be a wonderful addition...but then we start running into the problem of how to present it all. More bars? A bigger overlay? Will we eventually reach a point where the spectator never even sees a spaceship, just a bunch of names, numbers and bars? I guess I'm just concerned that if we add ways to track all the crucial information, we'll lose the "sport" aspect - it really will turn into a Battle of the Spreadsheets. I'm not sure what to do there; I'd love to know when someone is completely neuted into oblivion just as much as anyone, but I think we may need to be willing to let some information slide in deference to keeping it exciting to watch. The key will just be where that balance point is, I expect.

The bans added so much to the strategy metagame, I can't see ever going back to not including them. I liked the interviews with the team captains; they did a lot to give me (a relatively new player with very little exposure to EVE politics) some impressions of who these people were, and who I wanted to root for.

The only real negative I can come up with was Own3d's poor player/presentation, but seeing as they sponsored the event and are now defunct it feels like speaking ill of the dead, so I'll leave that one alone. I will say once more that having the videos in an AT-style playlist/format on the CCP YouTube channel would be quite welcome.

Anyhow, to all involved, thank you ever so much. I greatly enjoyed the show you put on, and eagerly anticipate similar future events. o7