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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#1 - 2012-12-02 19:02:36 UTC
Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.

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Yelena Fedorova
#2 - 2012-12-02 23:16:27 UTC
Please use the search function to find out why this is and has always been a terrible idea....

not supported for the millionth time
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#3 - 2012-12-03 17:27:39 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.


Nope. Their counter is the ability to fire back - These ships are substantially weaker on their own and require the ability to attack targets of opportunity. To be honest, a procurer can probably kill a manticore no problem as a side note...
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#4 - 2012-12-03 17:56:03 UTC
I, the Right HonoUrable and Learned Chief Justice Lykouleon of the Good People of Goonswarm Federation, Hero of D-GTMI, King of Vagabonds, Freer of Slaves, Destroyer of Providence, Lord-Protector of KBP7-G Until I Got Bored And Left That Terrible Region, Cooker of Bacon, Poster of Badness, And Owner of Further Associated Titles, do hereby declare:

No. Hahahaha, no. And a thousand times no every time I see this same thread pop up every other week.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#5 - 2012-12-03 18:26:11 UTC
There are 3 good counters to cloaking:

1) Move over: Hop over a system or two, if they follow see below, if not they are truly AFK and NOT A PROBLEM.

2) Set a trap: Go out in a hulk and mine away with a blue cloaked nearby

3) Show force: Have the blue not clocked


I am not sure who is out in null with zero support anyway.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2012-12-03 18:41:00 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Vaari wrote:
Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.


Nope. Their counter is the ability to fire back - These ships are substantially weaker on their own and require the ability to attack targets of opportunity. To be honest, a procurer can probably kill a manticore no problem as a side note...


@ OP: The "fix afk cloaking" topic has been posted to death..... Do some research before posting.... Also, your forum thread doesn't add anything to what's already been discussed on the topic. Hopefully this thread gets locked soon!

Things to keep in mind about cloaks:

1.) AFK cloakers are the only counter to "local chat" being used as an intel system. As long as local chat gives instant information on WHO is in local, then "fixing" afk cloaking is problematic. Essentially, the prices you pay for easy, omniscient intel is dealing wtih afkers hiding out in your system.

2.) Cloaker ships are easy to deal with... when you don't fly alone and stupidly. You can utilize many of the in-game mechanics and continue to play this game even with hostiles in system... I highly recommend you adapt or STFU....

3.) Jump Portalling to Covert and Regular Cyno's is pretty brutal at the moment, and exacerbates the cloaker hunter issues because the cyno very quickly brings in unscoutable and overwhelming force to the battlefield. This is NOT a problem with cloakers, but is a problem with the bridge mechanics.

4.) Any anti-cloaker mechanics, be it fuel, cap drain, probes, etc... should NOT impede a cloaker's ability to perform it's functions:
  • To travel fairly safely through all of EvE, including the ability to traverse 99% of gate camps with very low risk of getting caught.
    • [*] To effectively recon a system for extended periods of time, thereby allowing cloakers to monitor enemy activity, including fleet formups, logistics schedules, etc..
    Cyprus Black
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #7 - 2012-12-05 02:08:44 UTC
    Are you really that terrified of a player who's away from his keyboard? Maybe this game isn't for you if you scare that easily. Perhaps Hello Kitty Online is just right for you.

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    Akrasjel Lanate
    Immemorial Coalescence Administration
    Immemorial Coalescence
    #8 - 2012-12-05 11:03:58 UTC
    Not this thread again. Sad

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    TheGunslinger42
    All Web Investigations
    #9 - 2012-12-06 08:35:10 UTC
    I'm convinced people only make these threads to troll. I can't believe yet another crybaby would spew tears over this none issue.
    Lexar Mundi
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #10 - 2012-12-06 19:58:30 UTC
    Vaari wrote:
    Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.

    if they are afk there is no problem, just keep doing what your doing.

    I played in tribute for a while and when IRC put a cloaky in our system everyone stopped doing their normal stuff. I continued to do what i was doing and the guy never bothered me.

    You let cloaked players keep you docked. That is your problem not CCPs
    Mallak Azaria
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #11 - 2012-12-10 07:51:38 UTC
    An AFK player can't stop you from doing anything because they're AFK.

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    Lloyd Roses
    Artificial Memories
    #12 - 2012-12-10 14:05:04 UTC
    a) try afk-camping a system for yourself. So you see how useless your idea is.

    b) Personally, I don't minimize the client while nullratting with a neutral/red in system. Has always worked so far.
    AssassinationsdoneWrong
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    #13 - 2012-12-10 15:22:26 UTC
    Your corp description OP !!!! Shocked


    My eyes!!!!


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    Agromos nulKaedi
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #14 - 2012-12-10 18:24:42 UTC
    Why not make it so that if someone is sitting idle and cloaked, not using dscan or probes or whatever, that after some time - say 10 minutes - they log out of Local until they come back? Seems like it'd solve most of the issues.
    Mallak Azaria
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #15 - 2012-12-11 05:20:33 UTC
    Agromos nulKaedi wrote:
    Why not make it so that if someone is sitting idle and cloaked, not using dscan or probes or whatever, that after some time - say 10 minutes - they log out of Local until they come back? Seems like it'd solve most of the issues.


    CCP would never do this, because the AFK miners would get too upset.

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    Nylith Empyreal
    Sutar Rein
    #16 - 2012-12-12 02:59:13 UTC
    I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves...

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    Mag's
    Azn Empire
    #17 - 2012-12-12 16:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
    Vaari wrote:
    Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.
    Why shouldn't someone be allowed, to sit in a system for a month?

    Also while they are there, which mechanic are they using to interact with you?

    Mallak Azaria wrote:
    Agromos nulKaedi wrote:
    Why not make it so that if someone is sitting idle and cloaked, not using dscan or probes or whatever, that after some time - say 10 minutes - they log out of Local until they come back? Seems like it'd solve most of the issues.


    CCP would never do this, because the AFK miners would get too upset.
    Not only that, but it would be so easily bypassed without breaking the EULA.

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    Nariya Kentaya
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #18 - 2012-12-13 20:41:41 UTC
    Mag's wrote:
    Vaari wrote:
    Cloaking devices are broken. They need some kind of modification, like fuel or something that one afk cloaker cannot spend month just sitting on system.
    Why shouldn't someone be allowed, to sit in a system for a month?

    Also while they are there, which mechanic are they using to interact with you?




    so much this, as long as Local is omnipotent, cloaking is balanced, maybe if they changed local so that you can only see people who have at some point been ongrid uncloaked with you (such that if they leave grid you can still talk to them, and if they cloak afterwards you can still see them in local for maybe ~30 minutes), or people who are in your alliance/corporation automatically beingb in local, that kinda thing, THEN we can see about changing cloaking, but RIGHT NOW cloaking is perfect for its use.
    Rastino
    Horde Vanguard.
    Pandemic Horde
    #19 - 2012-12-28 01:06:57 UTC
    Like the OP I suck at EVE and cry on forums.

    Lets try to learn how to play the game and then go to the forums, now couldent that be fun.
    Evanga
    DoctorOzz
    Domain Research and Mining Inst.
    #20 - 2012-12-28 12:00:23 UTC
    still the best solution to everything is to remove local, as per wormholes.

    I suggest you go back to ratting in your golems, its all fine as the cloakers are Away From Keyboard. ZERO RISK Bear
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