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How much ISK have you reserved for the bounty changes?

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Zhade Lezte
#41 - 2012-12-03 00:29:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I'm curious how much ISK has been reserved by the 'REAL' PvPers to puton themselves so they'll get moar gudfites Smile


A rare DarthNefarius post that actually has a Good Idea. Bounty bait ships, hmm.

I may put bounties on folks for chuckles, but since I can generally manage to muster the efforts and force to kill things I want to kill on my own, I think I'll manage not reserving any ISK.

Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#42 - 2012-12-03 00:46:49 UTC
Incorrect they are changing it now so anyone can have a bounty placed on them NPC corp or not, -1 sec or +5 sec doesnt matter
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-12-03 01:17:24 UTC
Sheynan wrote:
Sarmea Moon wrote:
I'm confused. Didn't you use to be able to put bounties on anyone, anyways? Pod them, get paid. Bounty high enough, pod self with alt or corpie, get paid.

Now the bounty pays based on the price of the ship you're flying, so much less paid. Still no kill rights, still have to be high sec ganked. Now gankers get paid 10% more than they did before. *shrug* That's assuming the corp doesn't take the day to have alts blow them up in frigs/cruisers a few times to collect all the cash. 10% more is usually bigger than the profit margin between buy price and insurance payout for T1 hulls.


Care to clear up my confusion?


Why is the concept of loss value so difficult that it has to be explained in every bounty thread ?

You get 20% of (destroyed ship value + destroyed module value - insurance value) given the bounty is high enough to cover this sum.



My point is- the sky is not falling. If it were, I'd be the first one on the forums posting pictures of me and my steel rebar and concrete reinforced umbrella. There isn't a real difference between this and the old bounty system, except your alt has to blow you up a few more times to get the payout. It's a good way to get rid of mods that are high value to the system, but don't actually sell. With so many T1 hulls selling for just above refine value you can make cash getting rid of a big bounty on yourself.

The size of the bounty necessary to get a ganker off his butt to come after you is so high you'd want to collect it on yourself (and you prolly did something to deserve a mulitbillion bounty). Still not seeing the fluffy cloudy bits on my pants.

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#44 - 2012-12-03 01:20:42 UTC
The system is pointless, basically a free pass to have 1v1's in highsec, useless everywhere else.
Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#45 - 2012-12-03 01:56:57 UTC
Well then lets start abusing the system, insure the ship plus the bounty, plus salvage using an alt.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-12-03 02:22:51 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
The system is pointless, basically a free pass to have 1v1's in highsec, useless everywhere else.



How is it a free pass anymore than the current system? If in highsec, you still have to gank them. If you are 1v1, and they aren't already in a pod, I can about guarantee that concord will do for you before you can pop them. All it means is that you get fewer overall iskies, and actually get iskies for ship, instead of 100% for just the pod.

How is my having a few million isk on my head going to make a ganker decide to pop my orca if he wasn't about to anyway? Even worse if I'm just flying around in a frigate. The ganker would have to pop me several times to get that few million, while losing ships of his own.

I'm just not seeing the problem. The only way I see someone taking advantage of the system is to fit high value modules that don't sell well (bad T2s and some cosmos modules) while being popped by an alt or corpie to collect on a juicy bounty (hundreds of millions) someone put on me.

The only way it would change a gankers mind, and bring them all to the yard is if you like to fly expensive ships, haven't bothered to collect the bounty yourself, and the bounty is in the billions.

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Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#47 - 2012-12-03 02:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternus3
Accually that is a good point what is the point of bountys if you still get concorded without kill rights? Maybe bountys should only be place'able in conjunction with kill rights "being sold".





Think of it like an additional reward for the kill rights hunter.
Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#48 - 2012-12-03 02:57:25 UTC
Another thing to consider is that if a person has a bounty on thier head and is a miner... lets say flying a mackinaw. that would be 35 Million isk 20% on top of any other offers to gank the miner along with salvage, you don't think that wouldn't increase or bring back ganks.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#49 - 2012-12-03 05:38:42 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:

I have reserved 10 billion isk to put bounties on miners, hoping to encourage gankers to have a shot at them.


...and they told me that EVE has an older, more reasonable player base Lol

Well if someone **** me off, i will place bounty on him. But i will not bullying someone just because he is "fat kid".......ehm, miner.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#50 - 2012-12-03 05:44:24 UTC
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
The system is pointless, basically a free pass to have 1v1's in highsec, useless everywhere else.



How is it a free pass anymore than the current system? If in highsec, you still have to gank them. If you are 1v1, and they aren't already in a pod, I can about guarantee that concord will do for you before you can pop them. All it means is that you get fewer overall iskies, and actually get iskies for ship, instead of 100% for just the pod.

How is my having a few million isk on my head going to make a ganker decide to pop my orca if he wasn't about to anyway? Even worse if I'm just flying around in a frigate. The ganker would have to pop me several times to get that few million, while losing ships of his own.

I'm just not seeing the problem. The only way I see someone taking advantage of the system is to fit high value modules that don't sell well (bad T2s and some cosmos modules) while being popped by an alt or corpie to collect on a juicy bounty (hundreds of millions) someone put on me.

The only way it would change a gankers mind, and bring them all to the yard is if you like to fly expensive ships, haven't bothered to collect the bounty yourself, and the bounty is in the billions.

While I agree that this is not going to be a the blood bath many people fear, you really need to understand that if you chose to gank yourself with an alt you will lose money every time you do it.

Bear in mind that CCP has already stated they will be specifically watching for price manipulation attempts on modules to try and milk the system. With that out of your equation, you lose money every time.

Now granted, you lose 20% less than if others pop you... however you have given whoever put the bounty your head the pleasure of knowing that you had to spend the time to blow yourself up at least several times to get out from under the bounty and lost money every time you did.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#51 - 2012-12-03 05:48:51 UTC
I think i have ~200mil to my name all for drugs and none for bounty.

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Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#52 - 2012-12-03 06:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternus3
Well there is also a benefit of blowing yourself up say 70% insurance returns and 20% bounty to alt your gonna be basically losing 10% of the bounty while the person issuing the bounty is losing 100%, the coupled with multiboxing generating more isk then a single player your income coupled with 10:1 ratio is going to burn the person placing the bounty out of the game faster then yourself but also the number of miner haters is large.



At this point is is speculation, the only thing people can do is wait and see what happens, but mark my words as always the evil elements of the eve community are going to find ways to abuse the mechanic and or use it for things it wasn't intended for. The whole point of the expansion is "Retribution" which would mean that one has to do a crime and the victim to seek retribution. Since a miner isn't accually attacking the person placing the bounty is that really Retribution by definition?




Personally I believe that only characters with -0.01 or lower security status should be able to have bountys placed on them. That and player corporations. The exception to this would be if the player in question kills someone the person with "killrights" should be allowed to place a bounty and or sell killrights.
Eternus3
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#53 - 2012-12-03 06:17:51 UTC
There is also one final thing i want to add to the thread, this is directed to miners not griefers/pvpers/mechanic abusers....


From what i can see you can switch to Retriever with either buffed tank or max yeild and make it not viable for bountys to be collected since the bounty itself is based on the ships hull value, fly a ship worth so little its not worth it!!! 1-5m bounty not worth using a 15-20m catalyst or 2 of them to gank even with bounty.... not to mention you can insure your ship.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#54 - 2012-12-03 06:25:34 UTC
I think people with experiment with it for a couple days before deciding: wow this is dumb and then forget all about it.

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Zeran Kariashi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-12-03 06:39:28 UTC
Meh, ever since I realized that suicide gankers can't do **** in high sec if they can't get a target lock, I haven't had any problems and actually ended up a few 100k isk richer for the trouble.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-12-03 07:22:24 UTC
Since you have 10 bil to **** away can I have some of it? I'll put it to better use I promise.

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Nanatoa
#57 - 2012-12-03 11:07:53 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
...and they told me that EVE has an older, more reasonable player base Lol


They lied

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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-12-03 11:19:10 UTC
I have 1bil to a very special friend... Evil

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minuseb
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#59 - 2012-12-03 11:24:20 UTC
Eternus3 wrote:
Well there is also a benefit of blowing yourself up say 70% insurance returns and 20% bounty to alt your gonna be basically losing 10% of the bounty while the person issuing the bounty is losing 100%, the coupled with multiboxing generating more isk then a single player your income coupled with 10:1 ratio is going to burn the person placing the bounty out of the game faster then yourself but also the number of miner haters is large.


this is quite wrong, if i place a bounty of 100 mil on you, you will have to loose 500 mil worth of ships/modules/implants till bounty pool is emptied
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-12-03 11:56:11 UTC
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