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Shrink the max drones amount for most ships
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-02 09:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Add a limit to how many drones a ship can field. The decreased DPS can be offset by allowing a smaller number of larger drones be used. For instance, if a drake was limited to 2 drones but had its drone bay and bandwidth increased to 35, it could field a medium and a large drone and net about the same dps. This would reduce lag for larger fleet battles and also make it easier for small ships to tackle larger ships. Currently, a battlecruiser or battleship with 5 small drones can shred a well-tanked brawler frigate pretty quickly without even hitting it with its guns.

The drake in the example (as well as other ships) could have its drone bay increased even further, to perhaps 45m3 or 50m3 while the bandwidth is left at 35m3. This way, the drake pilot can put in a large and a medium drone for max dps, and have 2-3 small drones on backup for shooting frigates.

I also think that more ships in general should have a drone bay larger than their bandwidth, especially Gallente ships. I think the Gallente ships that aren't specialized for drone use shouldn't have a huge chunk of bandwidth over other similar ships. It raises their dps a lot higher, and with superior tracking and range due to drone mobility. Instead, I think they should have similar bandwidth as the other ships but a larger drone bay.

Actual drone ships should of course still field 5 drones and have lots of backup room.

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drone conversion rates:

3 smalls (15) > 2 medium or 1 large (25-x2)
4 smalls (20) > 1 large and 1 small (30-x2)
5 smalls (25) > 1 large and 1 medium (35-x2)
1 medium and 4 smalls (30) > 1 large, 1 medium, 1 small (40-x3)
3 medium and 2 smalls (40) > 2 large, 1 small (55-x3)
5 mediums (50) > 2 large, 1 medium (60-x3)
2 large, 2 medium, 1 small (75) > 3 large (75-x3)
3 large, 2 medium (100) > 4 large (100-x4)

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TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2 - 2012-12-02 09:55:10 UTC
No.

Ships like the Drake shall not have any spare drones, if they manage to lose theirs, they're gone.

Being able to still pull out drones is a pivilege drone-ships should have, and not everyone.

Also: 5 Light Drones deal more Damage than 1 Heavy and 1 Medium.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-02 10:00:59 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Also: 5 Light Drones deal more Damage than 1 Heavy and 1 Medium.
not significantly.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#4 - 2012-12-02 10:55:55 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Also: 5 Light Drones deal more Damage than 1 Heavy and 1 Medium.
not significantly.


Travel time. Yes they do.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#5 - 2012-12-02 12:21:08 UTC
NO. if drone boats have no drones left they are not drone boats just targets.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#6 - 2012-12-02 12:22:34 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
TehCloud wrote:
Also: 5 Light Drones deal more Damage than 1 Heavy and 1 Medium.
not significantly.


Travel time. Yes they do.


sentrys.. you jelly traveltime fags? *trollface*

but seriously it comes down to smart deployment and controling distance with non sentrys

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#7 - 2012-12-02 12:24:31 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
No.

Ships like the Drake shall not have any spare drones, if they manage to lose theirs, they're gone.

Being able to still pull out drones is a pivilege drone-ships should have, and not everyone.

Also: 5 Light Drones deal more Damage than 1 Heavy and 1 Medium.


thats still only 2/5 drones non caps can field, obviously dependent on bandwidth and drone bay. as for 1 heavy and 1 med.. you could get 3 medium 1 light and do moar still. and have less consern about travel time.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#8 - 2012-12-02 12:26:57 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Add a limit to how many drones a ship can field. The decreased DPS can be offset by allowing a smaller number of larger drones be used. For instance, if a drake was limited to 2 drones but had its drone bay and bandwidth increased to 35, it could field a medium and a large drone and net about the same dps. This would reduce lag for larger fleet battles and also make it easier for small ships to tackle larger ships. Currently, a battlecruiser or battleship with 5 small drones can shred a well-tanked brawler frigate pretty quickly without even hitting it with its guns.

The drake in the example (as well as other ships) could have its drone bay increased even further, to perhaps 45m3 or 50m3 while the bandwidth is left at 35m3. This way, the drake pilot can put in a large and a medium drone for max dps, and have 2-3 small drones on backup for shooting frigates.

I also think that more ships in general should have a drone bay larger than their bandwidth, especially Gallente ships. I think the Gallente ships that aren't specialized for drone use shouldn't have a huge chunk of bandwidth over other similar ships. It raises their dps a lot higher, and with superior tracking and range due to drone mobility. Instead, I think they should have similar bandwidth as the other ships but a larger drone bay.

Actual drone ships should of course still field 5 drones and have lots of backup room.

[edit]
drone conversion rates:

3 smalls (15) > 2 medium or 1 large (25-x2)
4 smalls (20) > 1 large and 1 small (30-x2)
5 smalls (25) > 1 large and 1 medium (35-x2)
1 medium and 4 smalls (30) > 1 large, 1 medium, 1 small (40-x3)
3 medium and 2 smalls (40) > 2 large, 1 small (55-x3)
5 mediums (50) > 2 large, 1 medium (60-x3)
2 large, 2 medium, 1 small (75) > 3 large (75-x3)
3 large, 2 medium (100) > 4 large (100-x4)



its just like how the old (after BC changes) myrmadon used 2x heavy 2x med 1x light to make best use of the available bandwidth to maximize dps.

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