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Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#1 - 2012-11-30 21:13:53 UTC
So I noticed this in the newly released patchnotes:

Sentry guns
Sentry guns will only respond to anyone who incurs a security status penalty in their vicinity.
A character with sentry aggression that leaves the vicinity (by warping away) and then returns will no longer be considered a target for sentry guns, unless he commits another illegal attack.
They will not respond to illegal aggressions that occurred elsewhere – Attacking another player at a belt or other site and then warping to a gate/station will now no longer result in sentry aggression.
Sentry guns will no longer attack drones, only ships

This is going to be a huge quality of life improvement for lowsec PvPers. Thoughts?
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#2 - 2012-11-30 21:26:30 UTC
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Sentry guns will no longer attack drones, only ships


Holy **** - CCP broke from the usual "CCP hates gallente" theme. WTF?
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-30 21:41:54 UTC
I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that you cannot use cheap drones as chaff anymore.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-11-30 22:32:43 UTC
*strokes his sentry drones*

... mmmmyesssss my pretties... soon... soooooooooooon...

How did you Veterans start?
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#5 - 2012-11-30 23:52:03 UTC
Not sure about the not attacking drones thing, but the rest is accurate.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-12-01 00:47:08 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Not sure about the not attacking drones thing, but the rest is accurate.


The not blapping drones thing was a huge nerf towards Gallente.

Is a bit silly for Sentries to affect one race more than the others.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2012-12-01 03:16:41 UTC
Drones would actually act as tank before. Gate guns would cycle around, and you may not take fire for several minutes. Without them, many small pie gangs may lose another ship or two.

Drone market may be affected?

I hate when GCC gets reset at every gate and station.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#8 - 2012-12-01 06:25:24 UTC
Frigate tackling on lowsec gates becoming a bit more viable? I think yes Pirate

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#9 - 2012-12-01 08:44:23 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Frigate tackling on lowsec gates becoming a bit more viable? I think yes Pirate

Are they going through with the gate guns gaining power over time change? I thought that idea got squashed. If not then frigs will still be instapopped on a gate.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-12-01 20:46:54 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Frigate tackling on lowsec gates becoming a bit more viable? I think yes Pirate

Are they going through with the gate guns gaining power over time change? I thought that idea got squashed. If not then frigs will still be instapopped on a gate.

As far as I know, it did.

But the new sentry mechanics make it possible to GCC in a belt and then warp to a gate afterwards without fear. Or for a heavy tackler (ex. Vengeance) to get the initial fast point for everyone else, warp off, and then come back.

How did you Veterans start?
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2012-12-03 04:19:17 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
*strokes his sentry drones*

... mmmmyesssss my pretties... soon... soooooooooooon...

Your post made me cringe and never want to jump through a lowsec gate again.

Good job.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2012-12-03 06:24:18 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
*strokes his sentry drones*

... mmmmyesssss my pretties... soon... soooooooooooon...

Your post made me cringe and never want to jump through a lowsec gate again.

Good job.

What if I bring some lube? I promise it will only hurt at the beginning, then it'll be fun as you gain more experience and learn how to move around properly. Twisted

How did you Veterans start?
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-12-03 07:14:50 UTC
Makes a huge difference for jumping around on small roams (particularly for frigates) rather than having to sit around for fifteen minutes.

I look forward to considering the myrmidon sub-par for reasons other than using drones.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-03 09:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: psycho freak
Woot woot i can use my drones

Ill av to blow the dust off my curse

tbh should just remove sentrys from losec alltogether


oh the domi the domi yarrrr

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#15 - 2012-12-04 11:30:53 UTC
this is one of the best changes ... the best would be complete removal of gateguns from lowsec, but I cannot have everything. Pirate frigate life for me :)
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#16 - 2012-12-04 13:50:03 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
this is one of the best changes ... the best would be complete removal of gateguns from lowsec, but I cannot have everything. Pirate frigate life for me :)


I like the idea of gate guns, but in lowsec I can understand them being "destroyed" or "mismanaged." I wouldn't mind seeing sentries on stations and sentry-free gates. Would fit with the RP, lore, and mechanics well I think.

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#17 - 2012-12-04 15:23:47 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
this is one of the best changes ... the best would be complete removal of gateguns from lowsec, but I cannot have everything. Pirate frigate life for me :)


I like the idea of gate guns, but in lowsec I can understand them being "destroyed" or "mismanaged." I wouldn't mind seeing sentries on stations and sentry-free gates. Would fit with the RP, lore, and mechanics well I think.



Well i think best solution would be that in lowsec gate guns will have tracking. So use of frigs (incoming damage) will be tricky, but not impossible.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#18 - 2012-12-04 18:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
So I noticed this in the newly released patchnotes:

Sentry guns
Sentry guns will only respond to anyone who incurs a security status penalty in their vicinity.
A character with sentry aggression that leaves the vicinity (by warping away) and then returns will no longer be considered a target for sentry guns, unless he commits another illegal attack.
They will not respond to illegal aggressions that occurred elsewhere – Attacking another player at a belt or other site and then warping to a gate/station will now no longer result in sentry aggression.
Sentry guns will no longer attack drones, only ships

This is going to be a huge quality of life improvement for lowsec PvPers. Thoughts?


These changes are great. Fight anyone in a fw plex and don't even worry about the gate guns.

If you are really playing to pvp these changes make it very hard to justify staying in FW.

Advantages of being non-fw:

1) thousands more potential targets in your area
2) don't have to have alts spin buttons so you can continue to dock in your home bases. More access to more ships= more pvp opportunities and less time spent moving stuff around.
3) Can still grind isk doing fw missions with a pve alt.

Advantages of staying in faction war:

1) can keep orbiting button and have it count toward system and get lp
2) once they add the timer I am not sure if a pirate will show up as in the plex since I don't think he will trigger the timer.
3) Can pod other militia without sec hit below -5
4) Can attack other militia ships without going to -5.


For people who use the fw plexes for pvp leaving fw should almost double the number of fights you get for very little downside.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#19 - 2012-12-04 19:19:50 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
So I noticed this in the newly released patchnotes:

Sentry guns
Sentry guns will only respond to anyone who incurs a security status penalty in their vicinity.
A character with sentry aggression that leaves the vicinity (by warping away) and then returns will no longer be considered a target for sentry guns, unless he commits another illegal attack.
They will not respond to illegal aggressions that occurred elsewhere – Attacking another player at a belt or other site and then warping to a gate/station will now no longer result in sentry aggression.
Sentry guns will no longer attack drones, only ships

This is going to be a huge quality of life improvement for lowsec PvPers. Thoughts?


These changes are great. Fight anyone in a fw plex and don't even worry about the gate guns.

If you are really playing to pvp these changes make it very hard to justify staying in FW.

Advantages of being non-fw:

1) thousands more potential targets in your area
2) don't have to have alts spin buttons so you can continue to dock in your home bases. More access to more ships= more pvp opportunities and less time spent moving stuff around.
3) Can still grind isk doing fw missions with a pve alt.

Advantages of staying in faction war:

1) can keep orbiting button and have it count toward system and get lp
2) once they add the timer I am not sure if a pirate will show up as in the plex since I don't think he will trigger the timer.
3) Can pod other militia without sec hit below -5
4) Can attack other militia ships without going to -5.


For people who use the fw plexes for pvp leaving fw should almost double the number of fights you get for very little downside.


I kind of agree with you, the only thing i dont think you wil be able to do outside of FW is have fights on gates in small ships though which i enjoy allot (and by fights i mostly mean ganks) your small ships will stil get popped by gate guns. Awesome changes though
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#20 - 2012-12-04 19:35:53 UTC
Good point, that i missed AndromacheDarkstar. I don't fight in small stuff on gates as much as I used to.

I'm still really thinking this through. Capping out at -5 (Which I am pretty much at anyway) and gate gun limits are really nice. I do so much plex warfare that i think that I would get allot more fights being able to fight both militias than I would from losing gate fights in small stuff to one side of the militia.

I think most people in fw are going to end up shooting neuts anyway so the -5 will be pretty standard. If you are at a warpin in a brawling ship and a neutral jumps in you had better scram him before he gets range.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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