Warfare & Tactics

Kiters win 99.99% of the time against Brawlers if they get to dictate range, with me so far?

. Excuse me but where in seven hells?

Looks like your numbers are swelling with even more terribad people now that SLAPDO is back and I have to permablock Gunnyt31 as well.

I'm having 2nd thoughts about the warp-in change, where the plex button will be moved to 10km off the warp-in point, and would like help reconciling them. Moving it closer because people are too lazy to burn out 80km obviously isn't a good reason to change it, and after some thought I don't believe it will increase PVP either: Here's how i see it:

As it stands now, you've got a better than even shot that someone in the plex is not on the warp-in. Especially if they are offensive plexing. Even defensive plexers are often orbiting the plex button. It's much less likely they are sitting @ the entrance beacon (sitting @ zero). The new change allows a player to sit both on the plex button and @ zero. So the odds indicating where they will be located within the plex be have also changed.

Consider the following bit of game theory, where you warp to the plex gate and scan someone inside.


You are in a brawler: there are a 2 scenarios:
He is @ zero. Assuming roughly equal frigs and skills, you have a 50% shot at winning. (unless he's in a DD, no one would be stupid enough to warp into a DD sitting @ zero).

Or he's ranged, in which case you'll probably either lose, or have to warp out. Given the above 2 scenarios, if you warped in 100 times, I'd expect you to win about 35 of them (and that's generous). That's a meager 35% chance of winning.


You are range fit: there are a 2 scenarios:
He is @ zero. Assuming roughly equal frigs and skills, you will likely get wtfpwnzoredbbqstlye (especially if he's in a DD, and you're stupid enough to warp into a DD sitting @ zero). Let's call that a 10% chance of winning.

Or he's ranged. Assuming roughly equal frigs and skills, let's give you a even chance at winning. 50%. If you warped in 100 times given these last 2 scenarios, I'd expect you to win about 30 times. 30% chance of winning.


Hmmm... it's a choice between a 35% chance of winning and a 30% chance of winning. The player in the plex has too much of an informational advantage. He knows how he is fit, and will always be able to engage at his range. This advantage amounts to the "House edge". A "House edge" doesn't increase gambling, it serves to cull the population to those that are either addicted, or can afford to lose, and eventually burns everyone.

Therefore, I don't believe moving the plex button closer will increase PVP, rather I predict it will decrease PVP. Warping into an occupant is now a sucker's bet, relegated to those that aren't educated enough, yet, to know not to do it.

Based on that I would argue the plex beacon should have been moved a bit further out, left as-is, or somehow made so that a player outside on the gate may scan in to determine how far off the warp-in the occupant is.

Now, never let it be said I can't be sold the right idea. Am I thinking about this all wrong? I don't see me warping into defend or attack occupied plexes with the proposed change. Any smart player would be wise to avoid them as well. Far too little upside as I see it. Especially if there's a DD in that "novice" plex (lol of the week), they seem pretty much immune to threats unless its unfair numbers.

IMHO - I think you (and a lot of others) are massively over theorising it Veshta. In small gangs it makes precisely f-all difference. O/heat prop mod burn and coast out of scram/web. Profit.

Your doing it wrong. Stop text pewing and get out there.

On a much brighter note > Minnie/Amarr WZ was absolutely BUZZING this weekend. GFGFGFGFGFGFGFGFGFGFGF!!