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The truth behind PLEX prices rise?

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RAVENSOME
RAVEN Space Co
#1 - 2012-11-29 21:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: RAVENSOME
I used to buy plexes for my account since almost a year, I have been very surprised about the rise of Plex prices which doesn't seem to stop and I made some quick research on Internet to look for players "feelings".
I have been very surprised about the answers which can be resumed in few very simple words:
Open market, players driven economy, Demand/supply.

To all those guys who belive in that I say: WAKE UP. The probably truth behind the price rise follows:
NOTE: I say probably as I have no proofs but follow the argumentation, it's logic:

You know that:
1 month subscription is 14.95 Eur
1 plex (same subscription time) is 19.95 Eur

You can assume that:
For CCP is better to sell a plex than have a one month subscription

and also that:
More expensive is a plex more reasons players have for buying it

Than comes the self CCP question:
How can I rise the plex price and make it more desiderable for players?
Translated:
How can I make more money?

I think you now know where it leads:
1- CCP buy PLexes on the market to rise theyr price
2- players buy more PLEXES to make quick isks
3- CCP makes more real money.

Who loose? All the non hardcore players who doens't want to pay for theyr account and cannot afford plexes anymore as they don't
spend lot of theyr life in the game.

Who win? CCP and all those players who has real money to spend and not much time to rise isks
(think about alliances or corps too).

What's the solution? Well, there always a solution but it is hard to be applied.
1- Stop buying PLEX
2- If you don't want to pay for subscription, freeze account (which is what I'll do till the PLEX price drops)

I am not suggesting a "revolution" but stop thinking EVE has a 100% player driven economy or an Open market, CCP may influence that and it happens (with skill books for examples).

Eve it's just a game.... For players
Eve it's just a business.... For CCP
Demolishar
United Aggression
#2 - 2012-11-29 21:07:08 UTC
Actually everyone is just making more and more alts because it's still very affordable to PLEX accounts at 600M if you treat EVE like a job.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#3 - 2012-11-29 21:10:05 UTC
CCP would much prefer people paying for a year with their credit cards, than spending a bit more on PLEX but walking away after 3 months.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2012-11-29 21:13:43 UTC
I assume you have some evidence to back up your claims.

Oh god.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2012-11-29 21:17:08 UTC
*puts on tinfoil hat*

am i doin it rite?

How did you Veterans start?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-29 21:18:24 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Actually everyone is just making more and more alts because it's still very affordable to PLEX accounts at 600M if you treat EVE like a job.


It's even easier if you don't treat it like a job.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#7 - 2012-11-29 21:20:16 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Actually everyone is just making more and more alts because it's still very affordable to PLEX accounts at 600M if you treat EVE like a job.


It's even easier if you don't treat it like a job.


But you're also less likely to be expanding your number of accounts at a truly horrifying rate. Ice miners, I'm looking at you...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2012-11-29 21:22:01 UTC
Ive re-read the op a few times and still havent found any proof.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#9 - 2012-11-29 21:24:04 UTC
No proof needed for me, it's just smart business.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-11-29 21:28:43 UTC
Its actually a bigger difference for UK since they added in the GBP pricing.

1 month sub = £9.99
1 plex from eve site = £16.99
2 plex from Deep Space Supply (battleclinic) = $34.99 at current exchange (x0.624) = £21.84/2 = £10.92

Why oh why dont you just charge $ for everyone and let paypal/banks handle the exchange rates :(
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#11 - 2012-11-29 21:47:33 UTC
Came looking for conspiracy that CCP was deleting PLEX to raise prices and encourage more purchase. Left because it was the more generic call to arms to stop playing until PLEX prices drop.

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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-29 21:55:12 UTC
OP your absolutely right.



Ask yourself:

If you owned a online game company and you are able to purchase items off a player driven market with a account that you can create for free and use in-game currency that you can create for free, wouldnt you secretly buy large ammounts of plex in-game thus driving the prices up and forcing players who plex there accounts to either pay a sub or grind more in-game currency to afford plex.

You will never see any proof of this as it would destroy CCP's reputation and the current player base would leave faster than a child at a michael jackson charity event on the penn state campus.


If it smells like rose, feels like a rose and looks like a rose then it must be bull$hit.


Do you think CCP would do this? Hell yeah I would if I owned CCP DUH if you think this is some sort of tinfoil conspiracy then you rode the small bus too school. Open your eyes and think for yourself.




Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-11-29 21:55:27 UTC
etc 60 day is 34 dollars , thats 28 euro thats 14 euro for plex .

And yes i buy em from american websites .
CCP gets less money from my plexes then from my sub .



Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Merouk Baas
#14 - 2012-11-29 22:14:00 UTC
If your argument is true, why aren't they removing the 3-month, 6-month, 12-month subscription discounts? Those are even worse prices for them. Why are they offering unlimited (buy as many as you want) PLEX for $30 over Thanksgiving (and probably Christmas too)? Makes no sense.

I think you're seeing a lot more ISKs flying around, and attributing it to plex when in fact ships also cost more, everything costs more, and it's because they've nerfed bots that were mining and everyone's been running complexes for easy 100-200 million per day in bounties. There's lots of ISK around and not enough ships, minerals, etc.

ISK is devalued.

Prediction for you: with the changes to NPC AI, and the introduction of a mining ship, I believe trends are going to reverse. More minerals, less ISK from missions and rats. Minerals will come down in price, and plexes along with them.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-29 22:16:43 UTC
More players have more isk now a days = more players able to afford PLEX to pay monthly sub = more players paying sub with PLEX = higher demand for PLEX = higher price for PLEX.

That is all.
Merouk Baas
#16 - 2012-11-29 22:20:44 UTC
Thing is, there's no plex rarity, it's not like even CCP could corner the market. They buy all of them we just put more up for sale. It's only $20 per, believe me, I would rather pay $20 than mine, mission, rat, or 0.01 ISK in Jita. Everything is a mind-numbing grind in-game, and I do have a job that lets me afford $20 per month.

Instead of making an alt or two to grind more ISK, it's easier to just keep the main subscribed, and buy plex for ISK for riches.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#17 - 2012-11-29 22:20:53 UTC
Time for them to introduce a YearPLEX with some small discount?
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Doomheim
#18 - 2012-11-29 22:22:48 UTC
You can still grab 600 mil ratting in drone regions (which holds no decent isk whatsoever) in 6 hours. Its still damn cheap to play on plex.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-29 22:25:00 UTC
Two problems with the CCP is buying their own PLEX theory:
1) You need proof. CCP buying enough PLEX to change the market would be shown in market statistics unless CCP is covering up that as well.
2) If CCP buys back their PLEX, they can't count that money as revenue because they didn't exchange goods and services so CCP would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Lastly, EVE is a competitive game. If everyone else makes more isk than you and can afford PLEX and you cannot then you lose. No one is going to rally around some guy who is failing at EVE and whining on the forums, HTFU.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#20 - 2012-11-29 22:31:34 UTC
Doing this would probably cause significant inflation. I would imagine it's possible that the guys crunching economy numbers would notice something like this.

I'm not sure if it's out of the ordinary for a CCP employee to inject ISK onto a character. This would be required to accomplish this conspiracy. If it is, someone would probalby notice. Once someone notices its' only a matter of time before it's leaked.

Plex price manipulation by CCP?

Possible, but IMO, extremely unlikely.
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