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Great Article about Being Female and Gaming

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1 - 2012-11-29 19:25:25 UTC
Mother Jones as forwarded by Roger Ebert (of all people).

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/11/women-video-game-industry-twitter-1reasonwhy

Please, no trolling. This topic is an issue in EVE esp after the article the other day at mittani.com

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2012-11-29 19:29:10 UTC
We need more female gamers to even the testosterone out.

/c

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The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-29 19:30:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Chribba wrote:
We need more female gamers to even the testosterone out.

/c


Edit: Rule 6 - No personal attacks - ISD Tyrozan
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#4 - 2012-11-29 19:31:29 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mother Jones as forwarded by Roger Ebert (of all people).

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/11/women-video-game-industry-twitter-1reasonwhy

Please, no trolling. This topic is an issue in EVE esp after the article the other day at mittani.com


I'm wondering when people will realize it's 2012 and not 1952. By the way, could you link the Mittens article?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-11-29 19:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Chribba wrote:
We need more female gamers to even the testosterone out.

/c


All we need to do is have CCP Edit: Rule 7: Trolling is prohibited.- ISD Tyrozan
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2012-11-29 19:36:19 UTC
CCP needs to hire more women to design the clothing for the NEX. Its not a sexist remark, its just true that women know what looks better when it comes to clothing. I let my girlfriend (not the inflatable one...never the 2 shall meet) pick out my clothes and never had any negative feedback.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-11-29 19:40:01 UTC
I must have missed the article from Mittani...Care to link or elaborate?

After reading through the article I think it really depends on the person. Some women love the attention they get as girl gamers and have no issue with it. Some women hate it. Some women provoke the attention they get and then complain when they get it. Some women want the attention but don't get it at all.

I think the issue the article is referring to is less about how women feel in the industry and more about why there are less women than men. Problem is...they are looking down the wrong path.

I think there are fewer women in the gaming industry as devs because of several reasons. One is that there are fewer women working than men. More women are housewives and mothers staying home then there would be of men staying home while the wife works. I would suspect that game development or programming in general would be less of an appealing job to a woman than a man. Men tend to have a larger interest in technology and information systems stuff than women.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#8 - 2012-11-29 19:43:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP needs to hire more women to design the clothing for the NEX. Its not a sexist remark, its just true that women know what looks better when it comes to clothing. I let my girlfriend (not the inflatable one...never the 2 shall meet) pick out my clothes and never had any negative feedback.


CCP should hold a contest and allow players to come up with clothing designs, the winner getting some sort of a prize.

This would promote the idea that Eve is player driven.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#9 - 2012-11-29 19:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Edit: Trolling quote removed - Rule 7: Trolling is not permitted. - ISD Tyrozan

Nothing compared to the estrogen you've been getting for decades everytime you microwave food in a plastic container.

I think a lot of guys are trying to compensate for their high pitched voices and girly physiques by acting manly online. P

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#10 - 2012-11-29 19:44:02 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I must have missed the article from Mittani...Care to link or elaborate?

After reading through the article I think it really depends on the person. Some women love the attention they get as girl gamers and have no issue with it. Some women hate it. Some women provoke the attention they get and then complain when they get it. Some women want the attention but don't get it at all.

I think the issue the article is referring to is less about how women feel in the industry and more about why there are less women than men. Problem is...they are looking down the wrong path.

I think there are fewer women in the gaming industry as devs because of several reasons. One is that there are fewer women working than men. More women are housewives and mothers staying home then there would be of men staying home while the wife works. I would suspect that game development or programming in general would be less of an appealing job to a woman than a man. Men tend to have a larger interest in technology and information systems stuff than women.


This is just stereotyping and mansplaining.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-29 19:45:44 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mother Jones as forwarded by Roger Ebert (of all people).

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/11/women-video-game-industry-twitter-1reasonwhy

Please, no trolling. This topic is an issue in EVE esp after the article the other day at mittani.com


I skimmed the story, and all I could think of was "how is that any different from being a female in any other industry?" I actually found the article on TheMittani.com to be more thought-provoking.

The whole thing reminds me of the nude beach problem, where males do their darnest best to scare away any females that show up, and then moan about the place being a sausagefest. Well, gee whiz Cap'n, why do you think that is?!

Having said that, the problem cuts both ways. If the population had more or less an even 50/50 split, there would be no way that it would feel like a male locker room, because at least half the content would be female-oriented. So perhaps when it comes to EVE, female population was always low for reasons other than our male (mis)behaviour. And we behave like it's a locker room because, for all intents and purposes, it IS a male locker room.
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-29 19:47:15 UTC
I don't mind gamey females, but I prefer they shower....


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2012-11-29 19:47:41 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mother Jones as forwarded by Roger Ebert (of all people).

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2012/11/women-video-game-industry-twitter-1reasonwhy

Please, no trolling. This topic is an issue in EVE esp after the article the other day at mittani.com


I'm wondering when people will realize it's 2012 and not 1952. By the way, could you link the Mittens article?



Note: NOT written by Mittens.

http://themittani.com/features/no-penises-allowed-eves-exclusionary-spaces

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-11-29 19:48:58 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP needs to hire more women to design the clothing for the NEX. Its not a sexist remark, its just true that women know what looks better when it comes to clothing. I let my girlfriend (not the inflatable one...never the 2 shall meet) pick out my clothes and never had any negative feedback.



Yeah, Karl Lagerfeld knew nothing at all............Roll

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-11-29 19:51:07 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
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I think there are fewer women in the gaming industry as devs because of several reasons. One is that there are fewer women working than men. More women are housewives and mothers staying home then there would be of men staying home while the wife works. I would suspect that game development or programming in general would be less of an appealing job to a woman than a man. Men tend to have a larger interest in technology and information systems stuff than women.



There is not one correct sentence in this entire paragraph.

That's a part of the problem. Misinformed men.

As a gay man, maybe I'm just more sympathetic to the obstacles the women face.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-11-29 19:53:24 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:


Having said that, the problem cuts both ways. If the population had more or less an even 50/50 split, there would be no way that it would feel like a male locker room, because at least half the content would be female-oriented. So perhaps when it comes to EVE, female population was always low for reasons other than our male (mis)behaviour. And we behave like it's a locker room because, for all intents and purposes, it IS a male locker room.



Why should there even be a perception of "Male Oriented" and "Female Oriented" content. It's not 1952.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#17 - 2012-11-29 19:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Some years ago when my youngest daughter was about eleven or so, she asked me to set up Final Fantasy? online for her.

This I was happy to do, at the time I had never played any online game whatsoever.

Being young and, well, being young really, my daughter obviously let the other players know she was a girl, and asked if any other girls wnat to play the game with her.

Within seconds, she was being asked what colour knickers she was wearing.

End of daughter playing online games for many years.

Said saughter is now in her early thirties, and to this day, if she plays any online game, she hides the fact that she is female.

Sad really.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#18 - 2012-11-29 19:58:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Jenn aSide wrote:
Chribba wrote:
We need more female gamers to even the testosterone out.

/c


Edit - Removal of trolling quote. - Rule 7: Trolling is prohibited. - ISD Tyrozan

Tbh it would be a better place if guys stopped calling other guys girls just because they say stuff on the forum that some class as whining.

There's far too much sexist crap in both real life and the virtual world that makes me ashamed of being a man.

/c

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#19 - 2012-11-29 20:09:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why should there even be a perception of "Male Oriented" and "Female Oriented" content. It's not 1952.

Not sure if oblivious to the difference between men and women or just trolling. What?
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-11-29 20:10:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I
I think there are fewer women in the gaming industry as devs because of several reasons. One is that there are fewer women working than men. More women are housewives and mothers staying home then there would be of men staying home while the wife works. I would suspect that game development or programming in general would be less of an appealing job to a woman than a man. Men tend to have a larger interest in technology and information systems stuff than women.



There is not one correct sentence in this entire paragraph.

That's a part of the problem. Misinformed men.

As a gay man, maybe I'm just more sympathetic to the obstacles the women face.



I don't think that it's because you're a gay man - it's probably just because you pay more attention. Or maybe the fact that you aren't a misogynistic dumbass stuck in the 1950s.

Though, to be fair, I don't really think most men are that misogynistic - just clueless about the fact that other people might not like being virtually harassed just because they have boobs.

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