EVE General Discussion

What puzzles me is how CCP suddenly introduces new crime-fighting tools right after they take every measure to nerf/remove the most common forms of crime in highsec as follows:

1) Orebays kill canflipping.

2) War dec system favors the target now.

3)Concord buffs

4)Miner EHP buffs mean suiciding them less profitable or not at all.

5)Global flagging for wreck/can theft. No more can duels...and while they weren't my favorite form of PvP, it's still one more avenue taken out with nothing added to replace it.

Crimewatch would have been better recieved when suiciding/ninjaing/baiting were rampant a mere year ago, it would have had a purpose, even. Now it just feels like the last nail in the coffin.

To be honest, the discontent of the nullsec residents is understandable, as nullsec overhaul has long been overdue. But CCP is doing a great job at the moment, so just be patient while they get to it, especially as they have already had great ideas for 0.0 like that of smallholdings.

Exactly. It's pointless adding bling or aftermarket bodyparts to a car with no tires or engine. No point adding new features to a game where the existing ones still need a tweak.

That being said, it's not like Retribution is coming with nothing new. And before you say, "those destroyers are useless because Drake" or something silly like that, just remember the Goons are listening in, and them and many other players will find a way to make them useful.

So you refuse to name those posts and podcasts. I am really sick of the whines from the barbie lovers about how Retribution has nothing barbies related.

This is a bunch of nonsense.

EVE released in 2003, it's going on 2013 for godsakes.

This isn't Rome, it's a video game going on a decade old. Games do not grow after this much time by "tweaking", they grow from adding in NEW content.

It's also an MMO; tweaking is NEVER done. No MMO is ever "balanced", and the only time the developers should stop working on things like upgrading old systems or improving old graphics and UI elements is when the game is coming to an end.

Balance and fixes are expected, always. At the same time people also expect expansions to actually contain some form of new content. It's been almost 2 years now sinse Incarna released, with unfinished and then abandoned content.

You guys do know that there are a large number of people that spend a very large portion of their game time staring at the inside of a station.

Some of us have playstyles that don't actually involve a lot of flying around in space, and therefore, don't really have that much to actually do. I don't want barbies, but I wouldn't mind having something to do in EVE after I've spent the 15 minutes or so changing a bunch of numbers around.

EVE isn't about flying spaceships for everyone, and CCP has for many years talked about their vision for EVE. WiS didn't happen in a couple of months, there were a few years worth of development and teaser videos.

Exactly how much content do you think CCP is going to come up with that involves FiS? And do none of you guys think that maybe the reason they don't really introduce new content, but simply rework existing content might be because there isn't a lot left they could actually do?

EVE doesn't exist in some special pocket of reality where the game isn't suseptible to the same sorts of things that effects other games. Eventually it's going to hit it's decline stage, and it's not going to do it at a millions subs; it'll be much fewer than that. Blizzard lost millions, and only then realized that if all you give people is the same stuff with new skins, they leave; in droves. EVE is no exception.

If CCP keeps releasing expansions like Incarna, inferno, and Retribution, they're going to hit their decline period sooner than later.

Besides, new content doesn't mean WiS, it means new content. Without new content, people get bored faster and you will never attract "more" people. That isn't speculation and opinion, it's fact.



Retribution isn't bad, even if I don't really like some of what they're doing, but we haven't really got any new content sinse prior to incarna; released in 2011.

The only thing I disagree with is the idea that it's understandable.

In my opinion it's not, not when CCP restructured to "fix" development issues. Prior to them restructuring to be more organized they released expansion with actual content in them, plus the fixes and such, like you pointed out.

Sinse the restructuring, they haven't.
They got worse instead of better. Probably because the restructuring wasn't so much about getting EVE development better organized but moving most of the people working on new EVE content over to developing Dust.


I paint and draw a lot, I finish very little. I've gotten prettty good at identifying with that sort of behavior, and CCP very much developes like I make art. They dream big, create lots, finish little. It's a rather unproductive way of doing things.

Your implying im a high sec carebear? Its nice ot hear not everyone has that opinion out in null though but its clear from this forum post alone that alot of people do.

Not everybody can or wants to fly 200 - 500M+ ships for everyday PvP. These tweaked or new tech 1 PvP ships offer more options for those veteran players who are running around in lower-SP alts for small-gang PvP.... or large gang tech 1 ship swarms.

As has been stated in many other threads, the best PvPers in-game are sometimes running in tech 1 ships.

@ the OP: CCP has a track record over the past 3+ years of delivering sub-par updates / expansions that underwhelm, completely **** up the economy or introduce poorly designed / buggy game elements. For all of the win in Retribution, CCP still has a ton of baggage to manage with their customers' expectations.

Says the guy in an alliance formed a few months ago from the remains of a previously failed alliance.

Good for you getting to know half the people in your alliance so well. I imagine those 6 six guys are thankful to have you in their lives.