EVE General Discussion

Recently ive listened to a few podcasts and read a few threads mainly from the null sec community that feature a really negative attitude towards the coming expansion. I kind of feel i need to point out to anyone who is looking at this negatively that this is exactly the expansion the majority of the community asked for.

You wanted the basics fixed, the list of changes in this one expansion is incredible. Give CCP the credit they deserve here they have really put in the work and done a great job and at this rate by the end of next year all the ships will be rebalanced and many minor niggles fixed. EVE will be a much better and much fresher game for it.

If you are in null sec and dont fly tech 1 crusiers or frigs try and at least show some patience and sit tight, you are not representative of the whole EVE community and you will get your turn. This expansion is another great sign that CCP listened, made changes and are doing everything they can to make EVE an even better game.

Be nice people, you asked for this. If not CCP might as well give up because they cant win

Welcome to Eve!

If the Devs can't hack it, they shouldn't have created such a cold hearted game that attracts some of the most deviant players around.

Its also supposed to have attracted some of the most intelligent players around not to mention one of the higher age demographics, i thought that might bring with it some common sense and wisdom

I am a bit curious about your facts and sources. Which podcasts and which threads by "the null sec community" do you mean?

If you are mistaken a few people living in nullsec with "the nullsec community", well then your post is pretty much utter bull...

Best post I've seen for weeks.

Agreed. The decision to shelve plans for WiS because of a large scale forum tantrum was unwise.

This, GD is basically a cesspool of criticism and negative feedback caked with alts

I love how you guys put into the "null guys" catagory.

You guys are so out of touch, I would say borderline close-minded, but you're well beyond that point. Some of you seem to have completely given up and sit in front of your computers with a cardboard tube in front of one eye and play EVE.

"All" of the negativety isn't coming from null sec. Open up the tops of the boxes you guys insist on living in and take a look around, the community isn't as black and white as you insist on insisting it is.


Amd EVE doesn't attract the "more intelligent" only the patient who are willing to learn. That doesn't default most of you to more intelligent; you're clearly not.

I think you mistakenly said 'guys' instead of 'pubbies'.

In my opinion, we are heading toward an expansion that will disappoint a lot of people.

The goal of every update is quite good. Retribution is not an exception :

- A Better ambiance (warp sounds, ship sounds, ambiant music with variations...)
- A Better UI (Module tooltips, targeting UI)
- More pew pew ! (Ship explosions, turret sounds, hybrid ammo graphics...)
- More gameplay ! (Drone officier loot, new modules, ship rebalance, new destroyers, ore frigate...)

I don't think anyone would complain. Even about heavy missile nerf, as it was clearly overpowered compared to their close range variation.

But it also gives the impression that part of dev's work is wasted on some features, while other features are simply unfinished or not going deep enough into the improvements :

- A Better ambiance (warp sounds, ship sounds, ambiant music with variations...) : Nothing to say about it.

- A Better UI (Module tooltips, targeting UI) : Targeting UI has been first very cool, and now is a simple copy/paste of an old UI element. Rather than finding a good compromise between style and lisibility, CCP decided to keep a targeting UI that should be "easier to read"... If it's very simple to read a half or full circle, this is NOT the case for a 270° one ! That's an utter fail ! Note that the 90° remaining are just wasted empty space... Also, some features were planned initially (HP on brackets for example), were released... and then deleted. Good job ! Of course the new targeting UI is better than the old one... (it would be hard to do worst, though) But is it a reason to approve something mediocre ?

- More pew pew ! (Ship explosions, turret sounds, hybrid ammo graphics...) : Exactly the same dissapointment here. Ship explosions were the opportunity to emphasize the "death is meaningful / it's true losses" of EvE ! It was the opportunity to turn a blue flash into something dramatic that would give enough time, for players around the dying ship, to take the full measure of the loss that they are seeing... Instead of that, we had some "new explosions" so short that the time you realize what's happening, you're already in your pod ! (Please watch this video if you don't know the look of our new ship explosions...) Another FAIL !
It's the same thing about hybrid turret graphics ! They had made a brand new visual for large railgun... and it was simply removed without any explanations or any reason. Good job... more development time wasted !

- More gameplay ! (Drone officier loot, new modules, ship rebalance, new destroyers, ore frigate...) : Last but not least, our new mining frigate ! The first ship with bonuses to gas mining... And you can't even move your gas into the ore bay !... Seriously ?

Same thing for the micro jump drive : 1300+ PG, 180sec cooldown, an obvious 10-second spool up animation... Who would waste a medslot for that ? Ok, some lolfits perhaps, or micro-cases... Sniping ? If I see the animation on the battleship and have already probes out, I will simply launch another scan while the animation is running, so that I can directly warp to the battleship right after he moved... +150% sig radius on a battleship, no probe can miss it...

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See ? It's not about "null sec" or not, it's about the difference between what have been announced, and what have been done.

(For example, take a look at the 2012 fanfest video were there was a preview of new ship explosions, it was much, much better...)