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why was high sec not divided by low sec when the game launched?
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Mirima Thurander
#1 - 2012-11-29 12:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
I have seen it suggested and I seen no reason NOT to do it now, but that's not my question/reason for this post.

I want to know Why was it not divided from the start? Aka when eve launched.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2012-11-29 12:36:07 UTC
What does this mean?

It's divided right now isn't it?

/c

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Spurty
#3 - 2012-11-29 12:40:24 UTC
Take cake

Cut into four slices

Move slices apart

Fill gap with low-sec cream

This is a visualization of what the op is talking apart

What we have is more of an onion

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2012-11-29 12:41:29 UTC
Please restate as your post makes no sense.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-11-29 12:42:27 UTC
The four empires were at peace back then.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-29 12:48:20 UTC
Wasn't everything 0.0 in the beginning?

personally that sounds kinda better
Mirima Thurander
#7 - 2012-11-29 12:48:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The four empires were at peace back then.

It was more of a north vs south Korean DMZ feel from the way the lore sounded.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
pussnheels
Viziam
#8 - 2012-11-29 12:49:43 UTC
they are already pretty much divided with only a few entry systems , niarja ; Eudama etc all those systems are high on the list of freighter pilots and their nemesis the freighterganker

making them low sec will only result in economic mayhem because those systems would be permacamped 23/7 and killing the trade routes would be the end of jita as the main trading hub of the game
I don't think that would help the game

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2012-11-29 12:50:08 UTC
Do you mean like each Empire Region as surrounded completely by Low ?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-11-29 12:51:04 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
........ would be the end of jita as the main trading hub of the game


This should happen.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-29 12:52:48 UTC
Chribba wrote:
What does this mean?

It's divided right now isn't it?

/c



And there's already more low sec systems than needed. Half of it it's already wasted resources for empty systems no one in his right mind will ever waste time and energy trying to do whatever in.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#12 - 2012-11-29 12:53:10 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Take cake

Cut into four slices

Move slices apart

Fill gap with low-sec cream

This is a visualization of what the op is talking apart

What we have is more of an onion

Right that totally makes sense then.

Also, this was probably not done since we had highways back then.

/c

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2012-11-29 12:55:15 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The four empires were at peace back then.

It was more of a north vs south Korean DMZ feel from the way the lore sounded.

No it was peace. The empires and the newly formed concord secured the border systems so that trade was safer and to rebuild after two wars.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#14 - 2012-11-29 12:56:32 UTC
I have never understood why this was not the case either. I think it would have been of much greater consequence earlier in eve's history when not everyone had JF / capital alts. Now days I think it would be a relatively simple operation of jumping everything across, still I'd probably have made for a more dynamic highsec.

I'd probably have to have been a very open border so you didn't end up with the kind of bottlenecks you get in null.

I think now it would be near impossible to implement given CCP's new direction.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#15 - 2012-11-29 12:58:29 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
they are already pretty much divided with only a few entry systems , niarja ; Eudama etc all those systems are high on the list of freighter pilots and their nemesis the freighterganker

making them low sec will only result in economic mayhem because those systems would be permacamped 23/7 and killing the trade routes would be the end of jita as the main trading hub of the game
I don't think that would help the game



No these systems would indeed still be the quickest routes. but there will be multiple ways of going through lowsec to the other side. they would have to camp every border system.

It would probably not kill Jita as the PRIME and MAIN trade hub. but it would make trading more interesting. price deviation in difrent trade hubs would be higher, and someone taking the risk to move something from 1 side the other would be rewarded greatly. there will probably form 2 mayor trade hubs. becouse there would be no reason to have a lowsec border between the empires that are alied.

I would realy like to see this happen in a trader point of view.

But. It would also destroy the sisters of eve epic arc that takes you through all the faction space and a lot of newbie crying that their ships got blown up. It will not help with the newbie experience in the game.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-29 13:02:38 UTC
This would make things a lot more interesting. It would also create more 'nationality' for our races which would be fun.

No
pussnheels
Viziam
#17 - 2012-11-29 13:03:03 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
........ would be the end of jita as the main trading hub of the game


This should happen.


what is wrong with having one major trading hub like jite
Not considering the spambots and other unwanted individuals , it is the place to be if you are selling or buying for those rare items/minerals/ moongo cheaper than in the 3 othjer regional hubs

Traders make good use of it and the people preying on those cargo ships make a good living out of jita

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Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2012-11-29 13:08:34 UTC
Might it not be the case that it would probably have ended up as four 'islands' with relatively little movement between them?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-11-29 13:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
pussnheels wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
........ would be the end of jita as the main trading hub of the game


This should happen.


what is wrong with having one major trading hub like jite
Not considering the spambots and other unwanted individuals , it is the place to be if you are selling or buying for those rare items/minerals/ moongo cheaper than in the 3 othjer regional hubs

Traders make good use of it and the people preying on those cargo ships make a good living out of jita



Jita's existence as to what it is was not planned on (it was player created) nor was its current status written in stone. It can change.

It discourages trading at the other 3 major Empire hubs and basically acts like a "Mom & Pop" killing Walmart. What's bad for the economy is bad for the game.

edit: Corrected a typo and also...I have not had reason to go to Jita in over a year and I sell my stuffs a lot higher than that wretched hive of scum and villiany.

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Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#20 - 2012-11-29 13:12:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Might it not be the case that it would probably have ended up as four 'islands' with relatively little movement between them?


I'd say 2. why would the alied nations seperate themselves.
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