EVE General Discussion

You do realize an industrialist that produces from minerals he mines pays brokers fees once, while a trader wiill be paying them twice right?

Think before you speak.

Also, as a trader, the only risk I ever took was to break even. Please explain to me how a trader "risks" his whole fortune.

And no, I"m not like those rednecks who lives in the middle of f... desert complaining about rich people. I mentioned trading because there was person calling for nerfs to every way of making money in hi-sec aside from trading and I was curious as to why trading received a get out of jail free card.

Yes jfs but they can only jump high - low or high - null and its as simple as waiting for them on the other side of a gate for there cyno. Or if local was removed In system.


See that's what I'm getting at if CCP would make some far reaching changes it would improve eve greatly. But they can't because "I WILL QUIT IF X" is now the ruling point in eve.

Large scale industrialists dont mine, they buy raw materials from the market. It is much more efficient than mine it all.



I dont know how about you but nearly all my isks are on the market orders. If some commodity drop the price it could cost you billions. Much greater risk than loosing a carrier.



...i explained it earlier. Because it is player driven. While PvE has some limits of earning isk/hr, trading dont have any limits. You can earn 10m/day but also 10B per day. You can "nerf" it as much as you can, but without any results. Also PvE generates isks from thin air, while trading just redistribute isks already injected in economy.

Blame Google.

They meant "dare to be blobbed" but they auto correction tool resulted in "Dare to be bold"

First of all, 99% of the pirate threat in low/nullsec can be avoided by using local/D-scan/safespots/insta undocks/the frigging system statistic tab when you go PvEing. But evading the GF crowd takes time which could be spent farming in highsec. There's already better rewards in low/null, but the rewards in highsec are avialable continuously and at your leisure.

That's fine, although i wouldn't say it's 100% true. Let's say it is 100%, so if brokers fees went up, industrialists would have to pay the brokers fees twice which would be passed on to the consumer. This would still nerf trading, because any trade that doens't have a greater than 10% margin, will not be worth doing because the trader will lose isk. A trade with the current system that has a 20% margin, would then be turned into a 10% margin, quite the nerf. The cost here wouldn't necessarily be passed on the buyer, only in regions where the supply of goods is in the majority controlled by trade (i dont think theres many places in hi-sec where this is the case.)


So your losing profit big deal. See you are counting your profit before it's made here, then considering it a loss. That is like a ratter counting his bounties for the day, then claiming he lost that much in isk for the day because of an afk cloaker. As I mentioned, the greatest risk is to break even, which is opportunity cost. If a ratter lost his carrier, that is more than opportunity cost. HE is losing capital (I dont' mean the ship type here, I mean capital from an economic viewpoint) AND opportunity by losing his ship. I traded for quite some time, never once did I lose capital, I did however break even on some trades at times, they were very few times that happened though. Generally it was just a constant river of isk flowing into my wallet.



I've already explained how brokers fees alone could nerf trading. Pve doens't necessarily have static limits of earning isk/hr. MIning roids is just as player driven as trading, since your profits rely entirely on the market and competition.

I'm sure CCP could concoct many a ways to nerf trading, it seems like your lacking imagination in this regard.

Indeed.

Considering it's not all that much of an effort to hop around the whole galaxy thanks to the ever so lovely cyno jumping, the moment low-sec becomes cappable then that's it. I don't think people want to create even more empty systems rather than less, right?

Supply chains. A long lost terminology.

Low sec definately should see a buff. I always have a great appreciation for the local pirates and milita that bring fights when we roam though, but it can be pretty scarce.

The last few months I've spent almost exclusively tooling around lowsec exploring and dodging gatecamps. I've only ever been caught once, and that was during a 0.0 detour, and I managed to shoot my way out and return to lowsec.
The few times I've returned to hisec have been boring as Hell. The last couple of months is the most fun I have had in this game so far, so I say - leave it as is. The only thing that needs a buff are people's balls.

low sec has FW, which has been a great buff lately. Now we need a buff for null