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Technetium - Nothings Changed?
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-11-28 21:05:30 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not


They can always go out and scan the 160,000+ moons ingame and find the undiscovered, undocumented ones. You know- like the people who moan about tech in the north and wish that it rotated, depleted or revolved in some random manner.
Any idiot that wants moon mats to rotate, doesn't have the mental capacity to realize the unintended consequences of that happening.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-11-28 21:42:51 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not


They can always go out and scan the 160,000+ moons ingame and find the undiscovered, undocumented ones. You know- like the people who moan about tech in the north and wish that it rotated, depleted or revolved in some random manner.
Any idiot that wants moon mats to rotate, doesn't have the mental capacity to realize the unintended consequences of that happening.


care to explain what that is?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2012-11-28 21:51:12 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
Also its just wrong, think about any new players coming into the game, will they ever ever hold a moon? of course not


They can always go out and scan the 160,000+ moons ingame and find the undiscovered, undocumented ones. You know- like the people who moan about tech in the north and wish that it rotated, depleted or revolved in some random manner.
Any idiot that wants moon mats to rotate, doesn't have the mental capacity to realize the unintended consequences of that happening.


care to explain what that is?

Probers can actually get paid for their work.
Think of the profit loss!
And all the explosions, the pretty pretty explosions.
Sorry blinked out there thinking of what the wars would be like.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-11-28 21:52:12 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
care to explain what that is?


Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-11-28 22:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
I just need to look back a little over a year ago, when sanctums & havens were moved to lower security space. Which effected everyone in null & some regions had conciderably more -7 & lower systems. They only have to extend that to technichium.

If you thought moving all those IHUBS & upgrades were a pain in the ass, imagine the logistical nightmare to come.

P.S. Scanning an entire system is boring as well, but whats worse? Finding an offline, anchored, large pos on something you can use.
Ginger Barbarella
#46 - 2012-11-28 22:18:44 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
reported, your sad little angry comments are not needed...




What are you, the hall monitor?!? Fail better.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-11-28 22:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
care to explain what that is?


Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.


What if it only happened like once a year??

New profession: Cartography.

Possibly more fighting.

Probably would increase t2 prices a lot. Is that necessarily a bad thing?

Probing out a system is a pain, but I think you're exaggerating a tad. If a corp of say 10 people set about documenting a region of moons it can be done fairly quickly without anyone committing suicide. I mean some people actually mine, so whatever.

Just saying as an idea, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

Edit: You know I don't have my grade 10 Julian.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-11-28 22:36:02 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Probing out a system is a pain, but I think you're exaggerating a tad. If a corp of say 10 people set about documenting a region of moons it can be done fairly quickly without anyone committing suicide. I mean some people actually mine, so whatever..


Have you ever done this? Serious question.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-11-28 22:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Snow Axe wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Probing out a system is a pain, but I think you're exaggerating a tad. If a corp of say 10 people set about documenting a region of moons it can be done fairly quickly without anyone committing suicide. I mean some people actually mine, so whatever..


Have you ever done this? Serious question.


Yes sir.

Edit: Have you?

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-11-28 22:45:17 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Yes sir.

Edit: Have you?


An entire region? No, my eyes started to bleed after 3 systems. I just think you're severely exaggerating how quickly an entire region scan takes without an incredible amount of poopsocking.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-11-28 22:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Snow Axe wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Yes sir.

Edit: Have you?


An entire region? No, my eyes started to bleed after 3 systems. I just think you're severely exaggerating how quickly an entire region scan takes without an incredible amount of poopsocking.


Well if you can stand 3 systems and you have some friends who can also stand 3 systems................It's not so bad. That's the whole point isn't it. Working with a group of people to achieve a goal.

Alliances could pay (and possibly do idk) x amount per system scanned and documented. If resets or whatever happened sparingly enough, it might not be a bad idea is all. It was made to sound like a ridiculous idea due to the great effort required to scan down moons. I was just saying it's not THAT hard to do. I mean I wouldn't want moons changing every week, or month, or whatever but if it happened occasionally to shake things up, it might work. Worth taking a look at least.

Also, I've never scanned down an entire region by myself nor would I. If I implied that in my "yes" reply I didn't mean to.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-11-28 23:04:57 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Well if you can stand 3 systems and you have some friends who can also stand 3 systems................It's not so bad. That's the whole point isn't it. Working with a group of people to achieve a goal.

Alliances could pay (and possibly do idk) x amount per system scanned and documented. .


Obviously no one person does it. That's why I said the entire system would swing even more in favour of larger blobs, as they can easily afford to not only pay a flat reward per scanned system, but they can have a far larger playerbase to get it done faster.

Besides, scanning's only one part of the hassle. Shifting towers around is far more annoying, and due to the nature of POS roles/etc, it can only be done by people with appropriate standings, as opposed to the large crowdsourced scanning. Even having to repeat that once a year is one time too many.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-11-28 23:31:39 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Well if you can stand 3 systems and you have some friends who can also stand 3 systems................It's not so bad. That's the whole point isn't it. Working with a group of people to achieve a goal.

Alliances could pay (and possibly do idk) x amount per system scanned and documented. .


Obviously no one person does it. That's why I said the entire system would swing even more in favour of larger blobs, as they can easily afford to not only pay a flat reward per scanned system, but they can have a far larger playerbase to get it done faster.

Besides, scanning's only one part of the hassle. Shifting towers around is far more annoying, and due to the nature of POS roles/etc, it can only be done by people with appropriate standings, as opposed to the large crowdsourced scanning. Even having to repeat that once a year is one time too many.


I understand what your saying and I do agree that it would favor large groups.

In response to the second part, I don't think shifting towers around being a pita is enough of a downside to dismiss the idea.

A couple questions for you if you don't mind:

Do you think moons are fine they way they are now? If they need any sort of change, what thoughts do you have?

Do you think nullsec has become stagnant/static whatever. Is that a bad thing? Would changes to moons change anything in that regard???

Thank you in advance for your thoughts.





I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
fukier
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-11-29 00:13:30 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
So its been a while since the CCP changes around producing tech. But nothings changed, Tech is still the same price. Straight

I guess we better get used to goonswarm online then



Nothings changed?

When the alchemy changes went through Tech was selling just shy of 200k/unit, each moon making nearly 16 billion a month before fuel costs were considered.

The current ppu of tech is UNDER 80k/unit.


Your definition of "nothing" seems a bit off.


hmm indeed Daniel Jackson...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-11-29 00:23:46 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

Wow. You almost have the whole thing in your mouth this time. Shocked
MilitantMan
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-11-29 11:00:02 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
care to explain what that is?


Ever scan a moon? It sucks. Scanning an entire system sucks even worse. Scanning an entire region should be banned by the Geneva Convention.

Having to re-scan entire regions every X amount of time would be torturous, and few would bother with it. The biggest advantage would no doubt be granted to the biggest groups of players (the ones that can afford to outsource the scanning to what few rank-and-file members are insane enough to want to), who would no doubt seek to grow even larger to cover that much more territory under their umbrella, either for maximising potential future moons (and/or denying them to others). The mechanic itself would also cause scarcity issues with moon minerals, so hoep u like high T2 prices!

tl;dr if you want to see even bigger blobs of people getting one day closer to quitting Eve forever while T2 prices skyrocket, support this idea. You may also want to look into getting your Grade 10.


So you are basically saying you are too lazy to go actually scan moons in order to generate billions per month? Seriously? It must be the easiest way to make ISK ever. I would gladly scan a region knowing i got a good chance to hit 10 moons or more that will give me a few hundred bill income a month...
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-29 11:27:58 UTC
MilitantMan wrote:
So you are basically saying you are too lazy to go actually scan moons in order to generate billions per month? Seriously? It must be the easiest way to make ISK ever. I would gladly scan a region knowing i got a good chance to hit 10 moons or more that will give me a few hundred bill income a month...


Well, there's plenty of undocumented and/or poorly documented areas. Go forth and scan, my friend! Apparently nothing but easy money aways you!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#58 - 2012-11-29 11:50:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Yes Goon busted their ass to conquer all the regions holding tech and maintain a logistical nightmare to reap these rewards but you should have it changed because your not them. GTFO and play something eles

Wow. You almost have the whole thing in your mouth this time. Shocked

Bloody Null sec welfare program is all it is.

A top down system should have never entered the game in the first place.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-11-29 12:22:53 UTC
Posting in a "waaaa can't compete with goons, better join them, why are there only 4 power blocks!!" thread

Roll
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-11-29 12:32:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Nerf goons thread # blahblahblahblahnerfgoonsblahblahblahwaaaaaaaaaaa


What this guy said.

+ you can get all the tech you want, you just need to fight for it, if you don't for whatever reason then it's not a CCP problem but yours.

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