EVE General Discussion

What, you mean CCP actually include in their game a feature that people want so much, they write their own programs and violate terms of service to do it? Why no, that would be ridiculous. Have more eye candy instead.

I did, and thats what I want.

also, thanks Gogela, appreciate that o7

Oh, i don't. 100k is small change, and the total sell price is still well over the market average. I never set myself up to take big loss, just ruin whatever second rate market manipulation they're trying to pull off.

To be honest if people are so bored ratting they have to write bots to do it for them, that should be a huge, huge hint to CCP as to which part of the game needs improvement. People want ISK, so obviously they want to play some parts of the game - the ones you can only do with ISK. However people don't want to grind because it's boring as hell.

I'm not advocating that CCP incorporate botting behavior. Rather they should look at the parts of the game that players are automating, and instead of trying to stop individuals from "botting" they have to recognize that said areas of the game need improvement.

For the market, it's fairly easy. I can, right now, place automated and rather complicated orders to buy or sell real stocks at certain prices, right here from my home. Why is it that CCP limits us to just "buy/sell" at a certain price? Botters are looking for more complex behavior - this can be designed into the game and eliminate botters from the market.

Likewise mining bots - they exists because accumulating piles of minerals confers an advantage - for example when building supercapitals that are amazingly mineral-intensive. But mining is mind-numbingly boring and simple. Thus players invent mining bots, to have their cake and eat it too. Change mining and require more involvement, more participation, more reward/unit time but also more challenge, and botting will cease.

The same with ratting. It is dull, repetitive work. So people bot. So CCP needs to fix ratting. Botters aren't the "enemy", they are just a symptom of a sick game.

1) The real markets don't usually involve the participants providing the underlying (the items).
2) The real markets don't usually make you pay for moving the orders (the "0.01 ISKing").
3) The real markets charge a sensible amount at the time the order goes into execution, commodity markets in particular are going to charge up to $5-6 per contract.
4) There's no "contracts" in EvE as well.
5) I'd love to see true RL orders implemented but imagine regular gamers having to figure out what's a buy stop order, a stop loss, an iceberg order, a trailing stop, an OCO and so on.
6) Most of all, bots are allowed in RL markets because the brokers and market makers know that they will make money by beating the retail trader bots all day long. Imagine if CCP allowed market botting but implemented institutional or HFT software themselves, that would constantly kick you in the face.

I'll see your no, and raise you one YES.

I think a better solution would be to add some way to customize your manufactured items. When you start the manufacturing process you can tweak the attributes of the item slightly. For example for a MWD, you can increase the speed boost at the expense of increased cap cost or slightly longer cycle time for higher powergrid. It would add more to the decision making of which 10MN MWD is the lowest cost. It wouldn't mean losing all your sales if someone was selling for lower than you. Not to mention you could customize your fits on a micro level. Just a thought that probably wouldn't happen