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Removing local or making it a small gang objective....
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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#21 - 2012-12-19 22:45:38 UTC
The fact is, local lowers the bar on gameplay by handing out intel with trivial effort of glancing at the chat roster.

This means that there is no such thing as actual stealth or covert gameplay. You are perfectly known to everyone present who bothers to glance at the roster.
They may not be able to pinpoint your location, but the fact you are online and in the system is openly known to all.

Probing? Unless you are looking for an anom, most won't bother. Use of sensors in general is trivialized.
Intel channels have use, of course, for details outside the immediate system.

The counters to local generate more controversy than local does, simply because it is accepted as a fact of life.

AFK Cloaking is used to devalue local, and frustrates residents greatly since they do not know how to resolve the conflict created by an item in local which is omnipresent and potentially dangerous. It leverages local's flawless reporting of presence with the fact it never gives intention or degree of activity.

Hot Dropping is specific to local's population count as much as individual pilot details. By concealing the attacking group's numbers on the other side of a cyno, local targets have no way of knowing what degree of threat may be present. They still usually notice the presence of the cyno boat, which is typical to adopt the mantle of AFK Cloaker.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-12-19 22:52:17 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
The fact is, local lowers the bar on gameplay by handing out intel with trivial effort of glancing at the chat roster.

This means that there is no such thing as actual stealth or covert gameplay. You are perfectly known to everyone present who bothers to glance at the roster.


You can always go to w-space, which is arguably more accessible to the average Eve player than most of nullsec.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#23 - 2012-12-19 22:59:58 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
The fact is, local lowers the bar on gameplay by handing out intel with trivial effort of glancing at the chat roster.

This means that there is no such thing as actual stealth or covert gameplay. You are perfectly known to everyone present who bothers to glance at the roster.


You can always go to w-space, which is arguably more accessible to the average Eve player than most of nullsec.

And lose outposts and markets?

That's like going camping with no plumbing or electricity just so you can avoid the noises of traffic. You would be exchanging one set of problems for another, with little to no net gain.

And while anyone could claim removing local would be the same, no improvement with different sets of problems, it would be disingenuous by assuming many details as a given. These details are quite disputed, and by many.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-19 23:16:03 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
The fact is, local lowers the bar on gameplay by handing out intel with trivial effort of glancing at the chat roster.

This means that there is no such thing as actual stealth or covert gameplay. You are perfectly known to everyone present who bothers to glance at the roster.


You can always go to w-space, which is arguably more accessible to the average Eve player than most of nullsec.

And lose outposts and markets?

That's like going camping with no plumbing or electricity just so you can avoid the noises of traffic. You would be exchanging one set of problems for another, with little to no net gain.

And while anyone could claim removing local would be the same, no improvement with different sets of problems, it would be disingenuous by assuming many details as a given. These details are quite disputed, and by many.


If you want to get out into the sticks, and skulk around where no one can see you, they yah, you will have to do without some civilization.

Or just do what everyone else does, and keep a trading alt in highsec so your PvP character can go where ever the action is.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#25 - 2012-12-20 22:24:19 UTC
Jayarr Altol wrote:
Useless, any carebear pocket of any worth would have one of these structures so that the small gang can bash them
No. I fly small gang so I can AVOID structure bashing.

Go away and rethink your life.

pos bashign isnt all bad, its nice padding to your isk k/d :P

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