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What ORE Frigate is used for?
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Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
#1 - 2012-11-27 10:05:15 UTC
I just thinked yesterday about mineral prices and the new ORE Frigate.

For example I mine with a Mackinaw in high-sec, no one bothers me, and I mine veldspar for 71 isk/m3.

Other option I sit in my ORE Frigate, jump through a bunch of system, then seek for some asteroids that worth mining. Let's see the ore chart:

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

Counting the jumps, the 5000 m3 cargohold, the interruptions while mining, it seems only ABC ores are worth mining, maybe some Gneiss or Dark Ochre.

So is it worth to use a mining frigate in addition that is fun and dangerous?

Also any1 know that ORE frigate can mine ABC/Metroxit at all and can fit only Miner IIs, or it can fit Strip miners too?

What you think?
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-27 10:38:02 UTC
Could be useful for small hit and run mining runs... if you're going to be mining the same stuff as you are atm, then its not going to be worth it. if you fancy a delve into low/null/wh mining, then it might help you be a bit quicker on your feet... Say, if you JUST want 5000 Dark Ochre, then its pretty good. blast in, blast out..
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-27 10:48:55 UTC
Christ Illusion wrote:

http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

Counting the jumps, the 5000 m3 cargohold, the interruptions while mining, it seems only ABC ores are worth mining, maybe some Gneiss or Dark Ochre.


Sounds like you are going off the default prices at the top of that link, they're beyond outdated

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Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
#4 - 2012-11-27 10:51:11 UTC
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

shows a bit more depressing price What?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#5 - 2012-11-27 11:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/

Prices are a trifle more up to date Blink

(Oh, and the Celestes site's veldspar price per m3 is 185 isk/m3. hardly more depressing)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
#6 - 2012-11-27 11:15:58 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/

Prices are a trifle more up to date Blink

(Oh, and the Celestes site's veldspar price per m3 is 185 isk/m3. hardly more depressing)



Yep, thats my problem. Simply not worth to travel and ninjamine What?
Shi Akiga
Phrogs of War
#7 - 2012-11-27 12:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Shi Akiga
its not the ships fault that ninjamining is not worth it...

to the venture:
- obviously its a good (well, the only) choice for guys without barge/exhumer skills yet
- ninjamining (lol)
- its going to be the best choice for gas harvesting, due to its yield and time bonus. Already with ore frig 4 and 2 active modules it is as good as any other ship with 5 of them, once you got the skill to 5 it's better. Add to that its respectable 'ore' hold.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#8 - 2012-11-27 12:55:58 UTC
Also, mot every one is in it for the isk per hour or cubic meter. I may switch up to nul ninja mining just for the change of pace. Or... I'm 20 jumps from a major hub, but on a rarely used low/nul pipe. I need 50 zydrine to finish a job... Run ti the hub or hop in the mining frig and go for it in nul.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-11-27 16:06:18 UTC
I guess they will be used for gas mining purposes most of the time.
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-27 16:24:00 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
I guess they will be used for gas mining purposes most of the time.


Heck, i'll be replacing my gas ships with these! Smaller, more yield, AND faster to GTFO if anything happens.. Thats' win bloody win!
Dave Stark
#11 - 2012-11-27 17:38:49 UTC
the new mining ship will be for new players. trying to find a use for it if your character is over a week old is like looking for an innocent man in a prison.

you might find one, it will take you forever, and nobody will care.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-27 19:53:59 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
the new mining ship will be for new players. trying to find a use for it if your character is over a week old is like looking for an innocent man in a prison.

you might find one, it will take you forever, and nobody will care.



This. It's going to be used for what I used my navitas for during the first few weeks I played. Not every ship is designed for the veterans.

For me my WH gas harvesters will totally be using them.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-11-27 21:19:01 UTC
There was a discussion about the new Ore frigate just a few days ago.

Since the ship cannot fit strip miners it will not be a very useful ship for mining. 3 miner II's is a laughable yield.

Also these days you can get into a retriever in about 6 days, and in another 2 - 3 days have T2 strips + T2 mining crystals. And since the new frigate will require it's own skillbook most new players shouldn't waste the time training towards one. With the choice between a retriever and the frigate the choice should be obvious and only limited on how much Isk you have.

Where this ship will be fantastic is for mining gas in grav sites. Great cargohold and bonuses for Gas it can outyield (and out haul) a BS setup for gas harvesting. This makes it a great ship to have in a wh, or just to have if you do harvest gas.

But other then gas the ship is kind of useless. awful yield with skills that could otherwise be trained towards a barge and in about the same amount of training time.
Liro Jedran
Boiled in Soup
#14 - 2012-11-28 02:35:18 UTC
Ninja Gas mining in whs is what I'll be using it for. 4 toons with an orca bonus with the Ore

FYI you don't mine gas in grav sites.
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#15 - 2012-11-28 07:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod vanHall
it will be great for WH gas mining

So great i expect the Tech 3 ships to drop even further in price
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-11-28 08:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
Styth spiting wrote:
Where this ship will be fantastic is for mining gas in grav sites. Great cargohold and bonuses for Gas it can outyield (and out haul) a BS setup for gas harvesting.


Why do you think it outyields standard Gas Harvesting ships, which are currently used? If you skill to Level 5 you have exactly the same amount (100m3) like you have at a BS / BC with 5 Gas Harvesters II at the moment.

Shi Akiga wrote:
- its going to be the best choice for gas harvesting, due to its yield and time bonus. Already with ore frig 4 and 2 active modules it is as good as any other ship with 5 of them, once you got the skill to 5 it's better. Add to that its respectable 'ore' hold.


I could not found anything about time bonus in the net. Where did you get this info from?

And as this is a rank 2 skill I don't feel it's worth to train it to Level 5, when you already use a Hurricane with 3k m3, which does the job very well already.

The only advantage I see is the bigger cargohold, but even then you can jetcan the gas (if cloud is big enough) and pick it up later.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#17 - 2012-11-28 10:01:24 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
And since the new frigate will require it's own skillbook most new players shouldn't waste the time training towards one.


Except it'll be a requirement for barges, afair.

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Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#18 - 2012-11-28 10:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod vanHall
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:
Where this ship will be fantastic is for mining gas in grav sites. Great cargohold and bonuses for Gas it can outyield (and out haul) a BS setup for gas harvesting.


Why do you think it outyields standard Gas Harvesting ships, which are currently used? If you skill to Level 5 you have exactly the same amount (100m3) like you have at a BS / BC with 5 Gas Harvesters II at the moment.

Shi Akiga wrote:
- its going to be the best choice for gas harvesting, due to its yield and time bonus. Already with ore frig 4 and 2 active modules it is as good as any other ship with 5 of them, once you got the skill to 5 it's better. Add to that its respectable 'ore' hold.


I could not found anything about time bonus in the net. Where did you get this info from?

And as this is a rank 2 skill I don't feel it's worth to train it to Level 5, when you already use a Hurricane with 3k m3, which does the job very well already.

The only advantage I see is the bigger cargohold, but even then you can jetcan the gas (if cloud is big enough) and pick it up later.


it moves like a frigg has 2 build in warpstabs, and a spare high for a cloak.

it has a greater GTFO factor then a BC

i have to say solo the yield will be lower 'cuzz your BC can also run a link.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-11-28 12:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalha Saldana
Max gas yield in a venture: 160
Max gas yield in a hurricane: 150 (185 with gang link)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#20 - 2012-11-28 12:21:56 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:

I could not found anything about time bonus in the net. Where did you get this info from?



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156057


Mining frigate skill bonuses:
+5% to mining yield per level
5% to gas harvesting duration reduction per level
Role bonuses:
+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield
+ 2 warp core stabilizer bonus


25% reduction in time at level 5.


Say you gather 100 units, in 100 time units.

With a 25% reduction in time, you gather 100 units in 75 time units. Or 33 units in 25 time units.
So you gather 133 units in 100 time units.

25% reduction in time = 33% increase in yield.

Woo! CSM XI!

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