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Does Killboard Efficiency Calculations discourage fights?
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Leysritt
The Last Remnant
#1 - 2012-11-27 03:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Leysritt
And instead encourage fights heavily stacked on one side, aka "ganks"?

Now I realize that losing ships does not help this mentality of pure victory.

From how i see it, most players see fights as meaningless unless it is a victory and that only fools will fight battles where victory is uncertain.

Killboard Efficiency does absolutely little in terms of showing actual player skill and ability.

You can shoot a Titan that is about to die to whore on a killmail worth 50+ billion and receive that full amount.

Now compared to a player who plays solo and kills 10 frigates for every one he loses.

The player who whores on the titan killmail has a higher efficiency than the solo player who is able to kill much more ships than he loses by his own self.

That should be fixed, a kill should be divided among the number of people who were on the mail instead of giving everyone the full value.

This will not fix the mentality of just pure winning, but it will certainly help.

Also if you massively outnumber your opponent perhaps a multiplier reduction in value for the kill and a multiplier increase in value when you are outnumbered.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-11-27 04:01:04 UTC
Everybody pays attention to killboards and they totally matter Straight

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#3 - 2012-11-27 04:02:31 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Everybody pays attention to killboards and they totally matter Straight



actually sad truth its that yes they do :(
Leysritt
The Last Remnant
#4 - 2012-11-27 04:03:13 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Everybody pays attention to killboards and they totally matter Straight


Its plays on a compulsive behavior of wanting to look "pro". What looks good having a 99.9% efficiency or a bare 50-60%?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-27 04:13:38 UTC
Everybody knows my PvP prowess so I haven't used a killboard in a long time

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#6 - 2012-11-27 04:20:02 UTC
3ed party sites setting a point system which makes outnumbered players look better while making killwhore groups look worse? Like the pvpers would want their steamroll efficiency to look sub-par using a "fair" site.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-27 04:31:21 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
3ed party sites setting a point system which makes outnumbered players look better while making killwhore groups look worse? Like the pvpers would want their steamroll efficiency to look sub-par using a "fair" site.


As a web developer, I will say that any kill board I develop will take this argument into consideration, and make a better measurement of skill. It's not all about how good it makes Pros look because most players in Eve online aren't pros. Like me :)

SoulCreative
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-11-27 05:13:49 UTC
It depends.

I use my KillBoard to get jobs and it helps me make isk.

I do loose ships in outnumbered fights so it does not bug that much, if I worried about efficiency I would not have as many kills as I do now. I take chances and most of the time I am lucky enough to scrape through in deep armor or structure.

Hell I have warped away from a couple of fights in my time where the incoming dps was just to much.

However the op is correct. Looking bad on the KB seems to stop people from wanting to PVP. I see that alot, but then again some people are only comfortable going after or engaging people when they are in a group. Nothing wrong with that. Everybody plays the game the way they want to play it. Let it be.

However.... I would love to see KB go., but Potential clients wants to see your KB before they spend the isk.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-11-27 05:35:51 UTC
Don't blame killboards, blame people for being risk averse.

Everyone wants to get kills, but no one wants to be the one that dies so that someone can get that kill.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-27 05:53:12 UTC
Looking at killboards at face value you often get a bad impression. You need to be able to interpret them. For example that corp with a lot of kills and few losses. Look more closely. Their number 1 dude might be whoring on kills using a bomber 5 regions away and the second place dude may have only killed structures. Learn to read killboards and you get a much better idea.

Nullsec corps tend to have high efficiency. It's part of fighting as a group. So how do you know they are worth recruiting? Look at big fights they have been in. Did they have many people there? Were they in the right ships pulling their weight, or was it one dude in a bomber? Killboards only tell part of a story, they are only the be all and end all if you treat them as such.

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-27 23:28:40 UTC
Killboards are the worst thing in EVE

But the only thing that people have to go on when accepting PvP players
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-27 23:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Killboards are the closest thing EVE has to a WoW factor. The people who whore up KB efficiency might as well be Paladins in arena gear.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#13 - 2012-11-27 23:55:26 UTC
Killboards only matter when they matter to you, your corp or alliance.

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God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#14 - 2012-11-28 00:01:22 UTC
You shouldn't just be using isk efficiency genius. Battleclinic's point system is in place so that even if you get a kill and all the isk when 500 people are on the mail, you get very few points and that determines your rank. Usually just looking at someone's number of kills vs losses vs rank you can determine how good they actually are. Someone who has a very high rank will mean they either kill mission runners and noobs all day in a rookie ship or are very skilled solo and small PvP and I can trust that they will give me a ~gudfite~

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-11-28 00:02:41 UTC
People who value killboard numbers over the social group they've formed in EVE are playing the game wrong and potentially making themselves miserable for something pointless.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#16 - 2012-11-28 00:52:25 UTC
Anyone who cares about KB's alot is best avoided.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Mirima Thurander
#17 - 2012-11-28 01:03:15 UTC
Killboreds only matter to the same type of people that think there cod stats make them cool.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2012-11-28 01:05:32 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Don't blame killboards, blame people for being risk averse.

Everyone wants to get kills, but no one wants to be the one that dies so that someone can get that kill.


Actually I don't agree. In the few years I spent in Null I never fit a scrambler. For every ship I lost, 10 ran away but the thing was, they always came back and they usually brought friends. I didn't care if I got the holy kill mail but I found people were relentless in making me one. It gets to a point where you are spending all of your time beating off the kill junkies and it just wears on you.
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-11-28 02:40:56 UTC
Eve would have been far better without killmails for killboards and the game play that revolves around them. (Shoot anything that moves just for kills, and not for actual reasons)
The unknown factor would have made things more interesting smack talk wise.

But, the FPS-ishy players in Eve wouldn't live without them, so oh well.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-11-28 04:03:24 UTC
Easy solution add ships lost to npcs to the api.
Now sucicde ganks reflect poorly on the ganker.
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