EVE General Discussion

Ok, there is a lot of talk about system security status. Does not matter if you are PvP camper or victim, but you all have to agree that there is a huuuuge gap between 0.5 and 0.4.

This gap is based on what you can do in 0.4 (instalocking, Smartbombs, indestructible "trash" arround gates to prevent cloaky ship pass through) and what you cannot do in 0.5 (certain death for aggresor, unable to evade concord).

So this is my proposal how to rebalance system sec status (ver 2.0 here )

1.0 - 0.7 - Highest security, instant concord response time, you cannot evade concord nor destroy them. (as it is now)
0.6 - 0.4 - Medium security - concord response time 5-20s. you can evade concord but when they spawn, you cannot destroy them nor survive their superior DPS//scram/ECM/etc... also for evading concord there should be big sec status loss.
0.3 - 0.1 - Low security - gates and stations are the only "secure" space, (on asteroid fields there will be none concord spawns also no sec status loss). response time 30s-60s. Evading them will not affect secstatus. Also those concord spawns are not so powerfull as hisec version they can be destroyed.
0.0 - lawless space (as it is now)

(sec status or response time can be variable - please dont respond to this thread just with "LOL" only if you dont like those numbers)

Benefits of this proposed change
-chance to survive "suicie" gank in medium sec space
-no security status loss in low sec asteroid fields, good for those who would like to PvP but they are affraid of secstat loss and who dont want to join blob bubble party in null.
- Spread of PvP fights arround the whole space, not just on gates.

Constructive critics only. Leave your Troll-Hammer at home please.

The current system is simpler and better.

Yeah i think it would be great i thought about the same thing based on color of the sec status
Blue ( 1.0 to 0.8= instant pop of concord and 15 sec status Loss and concord POD pirates
green(0.8 to 0.6= 10 to 20 sec pop of concord and 10 sec status loss) concord pod pirates
yellow ( 0.5)=30sec for Concord and 5 points loss of sec

light orange ( 0.49 to 0.3) no concord anywhere, big really big firepower of sentry at gate and stations NO sec loss
orange (0.3 to 0.1) no sentries no concord , no blob) no sec loss

lol no.

Where is the suggestion where CONCORD isn't involved whatsoever? Or at least isn't involved as a "finger of God" entity. Anything that has "insta-pop" in it is bad. Plain bad. Makes the whole "butterfly effect" deal look like North Korean propaganda.

Whilst understandable (like always) why CONCORD is the way it is, it is still pretty darn bad.

Thats why im proposing new system which could remove this huge gap, thus getting more ppl from hisec to medium /low sec



If you have better idea you can propose it here, not just with one word "NO". Maybe 0.3-0.1 dont need any concord at all. Just write here your suggestion.



I like this idea

to all others... this is not "whining thread". Im just pointing at huge gap between 0.5 and 0.4 and trying to find good solutions for both sides (hisec and lowsec dwellers). For example removal of sec status loss in low sec would be great reason to go for occasional PvP. Introduction of "low level" concord to low sec gates/staions would bring some stir to gatecampers. Also concord evading in medium sec would be great news for gankers and greater risk for freighters, miners, etc.

Also there could be implemented (in medium sec) that if player will engage aggressor (until the concord spawns), there will be no concord spawn at all- it will be contensual fight.


...and please, stay on topic, we all know how ISDs are sensitive for off-topic posts

The basic premise is that people don't go into low because they don't want to get shot.

Low sec folks want more people there because they want more people to shoot yet ardently oppose any measures which may result in more targets at the expense of slightly harder kills.

One day you will realise you're going to have to meet in the middle and whilst any measures to 'force' people out of high sec will work, it will not be how you expect: They'll go from high sec to another game. Why? Because if they wanted to go into low, they would. Of course, some will argue no loss, that is their right. Sticks work in the real world, not in games. Games need carrots.


Frankly I find it constantly amusing that in one of the biggest sandboxes going, a common viewpoint (of any sec dwellers) seems to be "if you're not playing it my way, you're doing it wrong and I demand CCP take action to make people play how I do"

I like it all except making 0.3-0.1 space safer and killing fights on gates, makig 0.4 space into highsec, making 0.5 and 0.6 space safer with a '5-20' second response time, and making 0.7-1.0 space SAFE FROM EVERYTHING EXCEPT ALPHA

Actually I hate it