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We come to destroy all who enslave our people
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Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#161 - 2013-01-10 10:25:13 UTC
I agree. It is tragic. If it was not meant to be that, then it would be a peace talk, which has been ongoing since... well for a long time. Nothing has majorly changed from those talks. Amarr is viewed as a bunch of uptight slavers who only care of their imaginary god and the Republic is viewed as primitive savages who must be saved from themselves. Sometimes, a hard hit in the head can get slow people to think and actually see what is going on.

Alexia Morgan wrote:
I strongly urge all Amarr to take heed of the danger threatening them at this stage. Leave Providence, abandon those who militarily support slavery, and refuse to fight in defence of them and in defence of slavery.

Help us free our people, and the bloodshed will be less than what it has the potential to be.

Do not let genocide come to your door. You have the power to control what is or is not inevitable.

Ms Morgan has already sent warnings. Plenty of them. If one was Matari, and he/she wished to side by their Amarrian counterpart, then they can leave. Anyone that stays will be viewed as a possible threat. It is that simple.

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Please understand, slavery is not something I support, but at the same time I find that people overlook what comes after you have 'freed' them. Immigration into the Republic hasn't been the smoothest process and the borders are filled with refugee camps because the Republic simply doesn't know what to do with the influx of hundreds of millions of new freeman coming into their systems. Even then, the Amarrian Matar slaves may be genetically Matari, but that's where it ends for many.

I hear you. I have been thinking of some ideas to help those who do wish to have a second chance at live without the worry of having a holder. Knowing the Republic has not been doing well with the overflow of immigration, sending them there may not be the best of ideas. Maybe if they wish to, they can start an eighth tribe in a location of their choosing.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#162 - 2013-01-10 16:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Kentt Em'asep wrote:

I hear you. I have been thinking of some ideas to help those who do wish to have a second chance at live without the worry of having a holder. Knowing the Republic has not been doing well with the overflow of immigration, sending them there may not be the best of ideas. Maybe if they wish to, they can start an eighth tribe in a location of their choosing.


Aye, but what about those who have no desire to be 'free'? What I don't see being taken into consideration is whether or not these individual Matari even want what their liberators are offering, and I haven't seen any choice given to them either. So far, every liberator seems to be under the impression that whatever it is they have to offer the slaves is infinitely better than what they have under their Holder, and in some cases that's true, but its certainly not so across the board.

There are plenty of slaves who are mistreated by their masters, but at the same time there are likely far more who are served an indifferent fate. Slaves are an investment, both financially and spiritually to the Amarr Holder. I've heard plenty of horror stories of beating and whips and Vitoc but I remain skeptical that this is so for the vast majority of slaves. It just doesn't make sense to invest money into the well being of a slave to waste it away by beating them half to death and force them to preform poorly at whatever job it is they were bought for.

Slaves are guaranteed food, a place to stay, a safe place to raise a family and work until they die. If a Holder is truly righteous, then freedom is guaranteed through faith, though I realize not every Holder is truly so faithful. Outside those compounds, they are afforded the chance to rise above that and even exceed that, but its a world they know little of, full of people who are far crueler than even some of the harshest slave masters who will use you and leave you for the buzzards.

I'd like to see more liberators concerned about just what their doing to their kinsmen.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#163 - 2013-01-10 21:28:33 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Aye, but what about those who have no desire to be 'free'? What I don't see being taken into consideration is whether or not these individual Matari even want what their liberators are offering, and I haven't seen any choice given to them either. So far, every liberator seems to be under the impression that whatever it is they have to offer the slaves is infinitely better than what they have under their Holder, and in some cases that's true, but its certainly not so across the board.

There are plenty of slaves who are mistreated by their masters, but at the same time there are likely far more who are served an indifferent fate. Slaves are an investment, both financially and spiritually to the Amarr Holder. I've heard plenty of horror stories of beating and whips and Vitoc but I remain skeptical that this is so for the vast majority of slaves. It just doesn't make sense to invest money into the well being of a slave to waste it away by beating them half to death and force them to preform poorly at whatever job it is they were bought for.

Slaves are guaranteed food, a place to stay, a safe place to raise a family and work until they die. If a Holder is truly righteous, then freedom is guaranteed through faith, though I realize not every Holder is truly so faithful. Outside those compounds, they are afforded the chance to rise above that and even exceed that, but its a world they know little of, full of people who are far crueler than even some of the harshest slave masters who will use you and leave you for the buzzards.

I'd like to see more liberators concerned about just what their doing to their kinsmen.


True... there are those who like their lives and don't want it to change. If we free them by killing who they call family, we would look much like the bad guys from any Amarrian story. For those Matari who do not desire freedom, it is up to their Amarr holders (or the Matari living under them) to take up the option of relocating their homes and families away from Providence so they can continue their lives. That is one of the reasons Ms Morgan has been giving the warnings I am sure. Their choice in if they want freedom all lies in if they choose to stay or to go. They don't want to see themselves liberatorated, then they should leave out of harm's way and out of the possible war-zones.

If I was able to sit down with every single Matari and ask,"Do you want to be free?" I would. But with how much people there is, that is not possible to complete in their livetime.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2013-01-10 22:27:37 UTC
And what about the free Amarrian citizens who happen to have been born with Matar parentage?

It is very easy to make a statement that people should uproot their entire life and move sight unseen to a far away and foreign planet. Arranging for large numbers of people to be able to actually make that trip, and to be able to make a new life on the other planets that are more politically agreeable to the people feeling that it is reasonable to dictate such things, is not as easy.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#165 - 2013-01-10 22:59:33 UTC
Maire Gheren wrote:
And what about the free Amarrian citizens who happen to have been born with Matar parentage?

It is very easy to make a statement that people should uproot their entire life and move sight unseen to a far away and foreign planet. Arranging for large numbers of people to be able to actually make that trip, and to be able to make a new life on the other planets that are more politically agreeable to the people feeling that it is reasonable to dictate such things, is not as easy.


Apparently they too will be victims of this mindless slaughter, as is always the result when you paint a people with one colour.

wumbo
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-01-19 14:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
As for the op, Ushra Khan, is irrelevant to mainstream Matari militia, living in the ass end of the universe far away from the front lines. All the while pretending to be the main player in militia bestowing their graces on Iron Oxide to stay in Arzad (as if they can control whe people live), belittling and offending the core relavant alliances and corps as well as embellishing its true effectiveness.

UK of today is not the UK it was in its glory days, when the very corporations who make up today's main militia alliances helped them succeed in null sec (the ones they berate today). UK's leadership, purpose and reputation has changed. It is hardly a microbe of what it was.

The sooner they get with the program the sooner they can restore their reputation and become relevant to the goals of militia. Not holding my breathe. They are too **** arrogant and full of themselves they can see out of their ***'s right now.

The amarr chose to irradicate them first in their backend system because they are the minmatar militias week link and easier to exterminate due to how isolated they made themselves from mainstream militia and their poor relations with the main militia alliances like ours. as soon as the Amarr are through with them in their backend system, the amarr will refocus on the systems they value closer to home.... The front lines.

Is best for them and the rest of militia to discuss with us and other mainstream alliance leaders what the goals are, what is needed and where, before making silly decrees and accusations against others in militia and assuming they can act as the militias mouthpiece on what is best.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#167 - 2013-01-27 23:14:47 UTC
I'm reading this and all I see is more Brutor posturing.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Athena Belvar
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#168 - 2013-02-04 18:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Athena Belvar
Brutor postering?..lol At least we can back it up there.Pirate
Azure Blooder
Singularity Tech Syndycate
#169 - 2013-02-04 20:42:47 UTC
You got nice spirit there kid. Heck both sides have good spirit going on. This looks to be a great bash. The faithful Amarr with God at their back. While Matari with the rightful vengence in their hands, duking it out for a great war. And once the dust settles what is next? Probably another great war between the two great races. In the end though it's guys on the side lines like me, shaking their heads, wondering will they actually do anything else. Probably not. At least we all get some nice entertainment out of it.


By the way, though I am Amarr, by no means do I support slavery in anyway. Nor do I support the Amarr's faith. I'm just a fringe pilot giving a little bit of his mind to the people here.