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We come to destroy all who enslave our people

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#121 - 2012-12-06 07:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Streya Jormagdnir
Alexia Morgan wrote:

If you were willing to do something other than support the Amarr's attempts to pretend they're doing something about aboloshing slavery, I'd be interested in talking to you about it.


Did you not read the bloody thing? Do you just not listen?

Fine. Go on your genocidal killing spree. See what happens. When proclamations are reversed, all peace talks break down, and the Republic is invaded full-scale, we'll know who to blame.

And no, I am not supporting the Amarr. I am supporting a position which will ensure our long-term survival. If that's not in your best interests, then I question why you fight for the Minmatar people at all.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#122 - 2012-12-06 08:23:01 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:


And no, I am not supporting the Amarr. I am supporting a position which will ensure our long-term survival.


You are also showing weakness to a cruel zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'

Rather than cowering in a corner waiting to be taken some of us patrol our borders and repel any attempt to invade our space, Our survival and future depend on showing we are strong and able to defend ourselves.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#123 - 2012-12-06 08:37:32 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Alexia Morgan wrote:

Did you not read the bloody thing? Do you just not listen?

Did you mean this you proposed?

[quote=Streya Jormagdnir]Or, you know, we could just do what I suggested? Stay on the move, and if they come for us use our mobility to our advantage and punch their nose until they leave us alone? Some key advantage points to this plan:

  1. If the Amarr can't catch us, they can't enslave us.
  2. If we're not being enslaved, new stock won't come from us...
  3. All the ninth-generation slaves are being freed, at least in the Amarr Empire. Not sure about the legality of that particular proclamation in the Ammatar Mandate or Khanid Kingdom. Any info here?
  4. After some time, no more slavery for our people*!


To be honest, I don't think the whole Minmatar race would wish for this. Alot have planets, such as Pator, which they are proud to call their home. Though a few of us such as the Vherokior, have decided to go for this and live the life of nomads. But that is a hard life to get used to. Those who are used to harvesting crops would be unable to do so, as ships would not have the room unless competely stripped.

Even if you say it, alot will concider that still running away, even if we will still have ships coming for those in Amarrian space who wish to leave. It's still throwing up your hands and leaving, and ignoring the ones who fought before us. What would happen to all of Republic space if we all left? Have Amarr become bigger? They will be the first to jump at the planets if we left.

If we leave, we will always be on the move. Not everyone is fit for that. Even if you moved everyone to wormhole space, Amarr will eventually catch up, if they stay motivated. Then there is other factions who are just out in the depths of space to just kill. You think all of this Minmatar convoy will be able to protect itself from invaders? Lots of escort will be needed. Then, in the far future when we think they have forgotten about us, we will be discovered again.

I am sorry, but I don't think alot of Minmatar would want to take that route. I don't speak for any of them, but it is a gut feeling.

~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that... from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."~

~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#124 - 2012-12-06 08:45:56 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:

You are also showing weakness to a cruel zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'

Rather than cowering in a corner waiting to be taken some of us patrol our borders and repel any attempt to invade our space, Our survival and future depend on showing we are strong and able to defend ourselves.



What is this warmongering, testosterone-fueled chanting of strength and bravery?

“Cowardice? For ensuring our people survived the massacre, escaped slavery, and ensured our way of life was preserved? Well, if that’s what the ‘respectable’ citizens of the cluster wish to think about my free brothers and sisters, then let the brave count their dead.” - Tshori Mulani, capsuleer pilot of the Ghost Market Caravan

There's a reason my Tribe never joined the Republic. It has worked remarkably well for us. Think what you will, but it is your survival that may depend on showing strength, not ours. We are already safe and thriving.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#125 - 2012-12-06 09:21:23 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir
There's a reason my Tribe never joined the Republic. It has worked remarkably well for us. Think what you will, but it is [i wrote:
your[/i] survival that may depend on showing strength, not ours. We are already safe and thriving.


All I see from that is "I'm alright jack" **** the rest of the tribes and our people because my tribe is safe, Safety in numbers is a wise old saying.

You don't have to join the Republic to fight for the Minmatar.

**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#126 - 2012-12-06 09:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Streya, no offence but you're showing a little naivety. You mention 'joining' the Republic; Markius is of the Murientor, not a tribe collectively enthralled by the Republic for reasons we'll not go into here. Some fight for it, some endure it, others dislike it as a political entity. So they fight fire with fire, without political restraint -sometimes as zealously as they whom they oppose. Sometimes on the Summit one reads 'Minmatar' and 'Republic' as being the same word. It's absurd.

Then, brother Markius writes about the " zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'"

This is wisdom; I urge you to at least consider what he writes, above, as being at least a possibility and actually a probability for those who don't keep their wits about them.

Edit: beaten to it.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#127 - 2012-12-06 16:00:03 UTC
Markius TheShed wrote:

You don't have to join the Republic to fight for the Minmatar.


Do you think I am unaware of this? I do fight for the Minmatar people, just not in that blasted capsuleer-based proxy conflict that seems so endless. If you read my initial post in this thread you see that I am all for teaching the Amarr a lesson. I don't need to sign up for the Liberation Force to do so, nor do I need to support Alexia's genocidal campaign (which is what I speak out against here, and you call weak).

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Emily Florence Nightingale
Bi-Polar Bears
#128 - 2012-12-06 16:45:14 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Alexia Morgan wrote:
your efforts are in vain. You don't have the power to go up against CVA and their alliles. You don't have a united front of corporations and alliances to oppose them.


You said it best yourself.


I like your boobies...

Oh yes.... and down with the Amarr and CVA and "The State"..

In fact, down with everything... Apart from me, for I am a F**cking princess...

Got it?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#129 - 2012-12-06 21:29:08 UTC
Some amusing anecdotes so far...

Alexia Morgan wrote:
You won't be enjoying it when your world burns around you.

Those slaves who have been brainwashed so that they support their masters in their own enslavement will have the chance to rise up when we're burning your cities.

I have no interest in glassing planets. That's foolish talk. Anything that comes from my mouth is what you should consider to be part of my plans, not what comes from others.

We are coming for you. There's nothing you can do to stop it.

And when I've ended you and your kind

We don't care. You're all going to burn.

It's interesting that the Amarr or their supporters are making statements that I'm calling for genocide.


So to recap... you think of nothing but war, you are incapable of any emotion except for hate, you refuse to question your own leaders, and you want to exterminate us.

Sansha Kuvakei could use a girl like you... as a template.

Y'know, know that I think about it, you remind me a lot of something that I once saw on an old Earth flat-vid show. They preached all the same things you do, but they were a lot more direct & to the point about it.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#130 - 2012-12-06 21:30:15 UTC
Will you people stop bringing us into your idiotic race war? Thanks.
Alexia Morgan
THE PUNISHERS
#131 - 2012-12-08 21:46:40 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Will you people stop bringing us into your idiotic race war? Thanks.

No. Sorry. It's just too important. Thanks for your request though.
Alexia Morgan
THE PUNISHERS
#132 - 2012-12-08 21:56:02 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So to recap... you think of nothing but war, you are incapable of any emotion except for hate, you refuse to question your own leaders, and you want to exterminate us.

I can tell you're not very smart, so I'll speak slowly to help you understand.

The Matari people have been enslaved and slaughtered by your own people for the past thousand years. Your accusation that we think of nothing but war is ludicrous.... sorry, maybe that's too big a word for you. Your accusation is stupid. Really stupid. If we think of nothing but war, then you think of nothing but enslaving us, and that's why we're locked in this vicious circle.

If your people were killed and enslaved by the Matari instead, for the past thousand years, would you not feel some hatred as well?

Our leaders do nothing to free our people. Pathetic tokens of peace do nothing to stop the continuing enslavement. Engaging in talks only defers the freedom that our people desperately need.

I want to exterminate only you. You and your kind that justify and defend your enslavement of another race. You deserve to die, and you will.

I hope you're able to understand that. I did my best to use small words for you.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#133 - 2012-12-08 22:11:12 UTC
Ah, terrorist Morgan,

How is your quest of destruction progressing? Any concrete results yet?
Alexia Morgan
THE PUNISHERS
#134 - 2012-12-08 22:12:24 UTC
Early days yet Big smile
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#135 - 2012-12-08 22:54:41 UTC
Alexia Morgan wrote:


would you not feel some hatred as well?



You know what is more powerful than hatred? Indifference. With indifference, you are not obsessed with the enemy and thus not metaphorically enslaved to a conflict that doesn't even need to happen.

Free the people who have want to be free, yes. Do so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, and under-the-table trades and deals with individual Holders and the like. They are an Empire, the Republic is just getting off the ground; they out-gun the Matari people. So what does a smaller force do to defeat a larger force? Certainly not open warfare and genocide! Neverminding the moral ramifications of genocide, your entire approach is impractical. So start thinking less like a war general and more like a guerrilla. You must ask yourself if the goal is to free the Minmatar people or eradicate the Amarr. Which is more important?

The supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting. Do not conflate my words for a lack of desire to free my brethren. But it need not happen through heavy, wasteful fighting as you propose.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Alexia Morgan
THE PUNISHERS
#136 - 2012-12-08 23:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexia Morgan
You're very, very wrong.
Quote:
Indifference: Lack of interest, concern, or sympathy

So you're suggesting that it's better to have a lack of interest, concern or sympathy?

How does that achieve anything?

If you have no interest or concern in something, why would you even bother to engage in any attempt to free people? Doing so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, even under-the-table trades with slavers suggests a greater level of concern than 'indifference' would indicate.

Also, if you engage in trades with slavers to acquire or buy Matari slaves, all you're doing is continuing the problem and encouraging them to get more slaves so they can do more deals.

Unfortunately, your words of advice seem to come from a position of 'do nothing, support Amarr slavers, and you'll be fine'.

Maybe I should add you to the list?
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#137 - 2012-12-09 03:36:25 UTC
Alexia Morgan wrote:
You're very, very wrong.
Quote:
Indifference: Lack of interest, concern, or sympathy

So you're suggesting that it's better to have a lack of interest, concern or sympathy?

How does that achieve anything?

If you have no interest or concern in something, why would you even bother to engage in any attempt to free people? Doing so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, even under-the-table trades with slavers suggests a greater level of concern than 'indifference' would indicate.

Also, if you engage in trades with slavers to acquire or buy Matari slaves, all you're doing is continuing the problem and encouraging them to get more slaves so they can do more deals.

Unfortunately, your words of advice seem to come from a position of 'do nothing, support Amarr slavers, and you'll be fine'.

Maybe I should add you to the list?


You are a fool, and failed to critically read what I said. I suggested indifference towards the Amarr, not freeing our people. Quite the reverse; I suggested you focus your efforts on our people first and not at all on the Amarr.

Learn to read, don't fill my mouth with false words, and by the Spirits stop your empty threats towards me.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#138 - 2012-12-09 04:50:32 UTC
I always find it sad when our people turn on one another, and they always seem to do so. The rationale that "you are not Minmatar enough" is an old one, and a sad one. While I will say that I find some of our people are far too zealous, and others are far to meek, I always find them to be our people. I am sure that my heart sister Ssakaa and my former brothers, whom I still have the greatest of love for in the Murientor Tribe, will quickly set upon me like dogs for appearing here, I would suggest that a better use of time would be setting about fixing the issues that plague us all instead of chest beating and turning on one another.

Miss Morgan, the People need a warrior like yourself, all people need a warrior like yourself. Miss Streya, our People need calm and collected counterpoints to the call to war. Perhaps it would better serve us all If you worked together and used each other as anchors against your own natures. Be a voice in each others ears, urge peaceful resistance to Miss Morgan Madam Streya when there is the option and call down the Furies Miss Morgan when it is the time.

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#139 - 2012-12-09 08:49:37 UTC
Alexia Morgan wrote:
Maybe I should add you to the list?


So glad you've altered the words you used in your original comment, Alexia; misdirected zeal is a often a waste of energy best spent elsewhere.

Now that you're a little more friendly towards one another, concentrate on what unites you rather than what sets you apart. It's called accommodation since she, Streya, is not your enemy.

And likewise, Streya.

Quote:
...the Murientor Tribe, will quickly set upon me like dogs for appearing here...


Hardly. You've a right to engage in public commentary as much as the next nefantar. And why use such distasteful similes, Los Muertas?

Dogs? Why, no. We are the beautiful people.



"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Wolf Ryski
Combat and Industrial Automata
#140 - 2012-12-09 18:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolf Ryski
*EDIT* contract nulled