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High Security does not mean Perfect Security.

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Ghazu
#81 - 2012-11-26 17:26:39 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke.


Quoted for Holy Truth. DFO is what EvE should have been, plus it's twitchy and bloody. Full loot including your money is always at stake and you also lose all to random NPCs. And those NPCs unlike EvE, are REALLY nasty, they group, they call each other, they hear you and set up guards on top of trees and all that sort of stuff. And no, they don't sit in some pockets like silly sheep, they are all around.

That seems a good model for wis, with the combat and crafting, as opposed to some dogshite emoting platform. Don't care about where you get your pvp fix, I get my ganking fix right here, with the bonus of posts from people like you.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#82 - 2012-11-26 17:27:45 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke. There are sandboxes that dont allow douchebag activity, EVE is becomming one. Change is inevitable and EVE is becomming less and less a haven for the awful "pvper" who has gotten **** on in every other pvp game. see my sig. Your fearful tears are delicious.

If that's the case then you should have no problem with the PVP in hisec, yet here you are, whining about it.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-11-26 17:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Nerf Burger wrote:
actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke. There are sandboxes that dont allow douchebag activity, EVE is becomming one. Change is inevitable and EVE is becomming less and less a haven for the awful "pvper" who has gotten **** on in every other pvp game. see my sig. Your fearful tears are delicious.

You absolutely have no clue.

The only thing we can tell for sure is you're hiding in an NPC corp because of all the cowardly, fearful, awful PVP'rs who wouldn't stand a chance against you...



Actually, You are probably one of those cowardly, awful, fearful pvp'ers because you are just way too extreme - this has got to be part of an organized campaign against Hi-Sec to get people to post silly trolls like this.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Quoted for Holy Truth. DFO is what EvE should have been, plus it's twitchy and bloody. Full loot including your money is always at stake and you also lose all to random NPCs. And those NPCs unlike EvE, are REALLY nasty, they group, they call each other, they hear you and set up guards on top of trees and all that sort of stuff. And no, they don't sit in some pockets like silly sheep, they are all around.

Roll

"twitchy and bloody" - well that's great when your avatar is a bloody fairy. Not so good with spaceships...

Can't believe people who like darkfall are bitching about hi-sec...

Ugh

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-11-26 18:04:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Oops, wrong thread.
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-11-26 18:50:38 UTC
Samanna Aries wrote:


What if hi sec were perfectly secure?

I mean no pvp of any type and you were completely unable to harm another player while in hi sec unless there was an active war between your corps.


Without market PVP, a type of PVP, how are you proposing there be an industry side to the game? Where are you going to get everything with no market? Market PVP is intertwined with everything else and they all have relative risks.

How do you balance the rest of the game with no PVP in high sec space? You're not asking about making high sec safer, like 10 or 100, you're asking about making it infinitely safer. Low sec and null sec no longer have relative values to high sec, only to each other. Will you then ask why low sec shouldn't join with infinite sec and point to the risk-free isk they are making?


And you are obviously not asking this from an impartial viewpoint. What you put in and leave out, who you direct your questions towards, the fact that you would ask this question on a character who has never posted...they are all clues. When people have to put in that they are 'just curious', that usually means they already have a viewpoint and want to sound impartial.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#86 - 2012-11-26 19:08:07 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke. There are sandboxes that dont allow douchebag activity, EVE is becomming one. Change is inevitable and EVE is becomming less and less a haven for the awful "pvper" who has gotten **** on in every other pvp game. see my sig. Your fearful tears are delicious.
You do seem rather angry. Maybe it's time you took a break away from the game.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-11-26 19:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
I think the OP has a valid point. It would outright kill piracy in high sec but would make wars actually relevant instead of the joke that they are right now. I think it would but such a large change to how high sec works that a complete rework of high sec would need to be done. In other words, a massive reduction in reward and profitability.

Would I quit the game if they made such a change? No...i'm not a crying little *****. I would be concerned with the direction of EVE and whether or not it could be properly implemented so as not to make high sec an afk miners haven. (even more so than it is now)

Mag's wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
actually, you are playing the wrong game. There is a game with no safety zones, full loot and it actually takes player skill to play it. Its called Darkfall and I'm sure 95% of these chest thumping EVE "pvpers" couldn't handle that game. I play that game for my pvp fix, the pvp in EVE, by comparison, is just a skilless joke. There are sandboxes that dont allow douchebag activity, EVE is becomming one. Change is inevitable and EVE is becomming less and less a haven for the awful "pvper" who has gotten **** on in every other pvp game. see my sig. Your fearful tears are delicious.
You do seem rather angry. Maybe it's time you took a break away from the game.


I played Darkfall for sometime through beta and into launch. Too bad Darkfall was dead on arrival and the only PVP to be had is the high levels rolling through newbie zones because they have nothing better to do in an empty game world.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#88 - 2012-11-26 19:20:23 UTC
Word on the street is that if you loose PLEX in your cargo hold b/c of a highsec gank and the PLEX drops, the gankers get to keep the PLEX but CCP also reimburses the PLEX to the person that dropped it. I'd say highsec is still pretty safe...

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-11-26 19:23:54 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Word on the street is that if you loose PLEX in your cargo hold b/c of a highsec gank and the PLEX drops, the gankers get to keep the PLEX but CCP also reimburses the PLEX to the person that dropped it. I'd say highsec is still pretty safe...

Roll


Loose PLEX? What is this? Have I been buying tight PLEX this whole time? Is there a better PLEX?

Seriously...that has to be a top pet peeve of mine. I am just glad you didn't try calling someone a "looser".

I have never lost PLEX in a ship before. I am not sure what kind of thought process it takes to come to the conclusion that transporting PLEX in a ship is a good idea. I have also never heard or read about someone being reimbursed a PLEX after losing it in a ship to legit PvP. Got any thread links or article links to back that up?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#90 - 2012-11-26 19:29:30 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Word on the street is that if you loose PLEX in your cargo hold b/c of a highsec gank and the PLEX drops, the gankers get to keep the PLEX but CCP also reimburses the PLEX to the person that dropped it. I'd say highsec is still pretty safe...

Roll


That is so wrong on so many levels, if you move plex in a ship and get ganked, you deserve to lose it for being dumb, especially when there's already a mechanic in place that lets you redeem plex from anywhere, even trading it can be done remotely, it's called contracts.

If that's true then shame on CCP for reimbursing a loot drop.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#91 - 2012-11-26 21:22:03 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Word on the street is that if you loose PLEX in your cargo hold b/c of a highsec gank and the PLEX drops, the gankers get to keep the PLEX but CCP also reimburses the PLEX to the person that dropped it. I'd say highsec is still pretty safe...

Roll


Loose PLEX? What is this? Have I been buying tight PLEX this whole time? Is there a better PLEX?

Seriously...that has to be a top pet peeve of mine. I am just glad you didn't try calling someone a "looser".

I have never lost PLEX in a ship before. I am not sure what kind of thought process it takes to come to the conclusion that transporting PLEX in a ship is a good idea. I have also never heard or read about someone being reimbursed a PLEX after losing it in a ship to legit PvP. Got any thread links or article links to back that up?

I'm not going to out anyone. That's just not how I roll. Those who have received reimbursement were instructed not to talk about it. They aren't the kind of capsuleers I want to get into hot water with... and I don't care enough about this to risk any EULA issues or anything. What I can say is that there are a lot of people who know about this, and there's a lot of people who could find out about it in short order by going to the principals of certain incidents and making a confidential inquiry. I'll let someone braver than myself deal with it, if it's to be dealt with at all. What I would bet good ISK on is that CCP wouldn't come out and deny anything like this happens. They won't say thing one about it. ...and GL getting a 'victim' say anything about it, either. That in itself should tell you something.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#92 - 2012-11-26 21:45:14 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
The Savior of Highsec James 315, in his infinite patience, has taken the time to answer.




The true answer is no one really knows untill it happens. Just because it is written in a forum or on the web doesnt make it true. All these people can do is speculate. The good thing about the internet is there is no shortage of bad information.

The best thing would be to look at other games that have safe havens with no pvp. Some games survive even without PVP at all even. Like blue servers everquest 2 or everquest 1 even.

These people that prey on the hi-sec players would lead you to be it wouldnt be possible the world would end etc. I say they are all only thinking of their self interest. They are afraid they might have to fight somone with same or more sp and the ability to fight back if they were to get pushed to low/null.

I for one would love to see it. More pvp, not clubing baby seals in the head with a bat in hi-sec.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#93 - 2012-11-26 21:55:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Word on the street is that if you loose PLEX in your cargo hold b/c of a highsec gank and the PLEX drops, the gankers get to keep the PLEX but CCP also reimburses the PLEX to the person that dropped it. I'd say highsec is still pretty safe...

Roll


That is so wrong on so many levels, if you move plex in a ship and get ganked, you deserve to lose it for being dumb, especially when there's already a mechanic in place that lets you redeem plex from anywhere, even trading it can be done remotely, it's called contracts.

If that's true then shame on CCP for reimbursing a loot drop.

You do not move PLEX you intend to redeem, you move it to get it to a trade hub where you can sell it for a profit.

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