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Thorax's fourth med slot

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#41 - 2012-11-27 17:52:09 UTC
Don't have the exact fittings for it post patch, but as others have said It'll almost certainly feature:

Neutrons - Null,
2 X LSE, MWD, point
TE, Magstabs, Nano to taste
2 X MCDFE, T2 Burst rig

Guessing that might get close on PG so would possibly need tweaking.

Should give a much larger engagement profile than (lol) amour fits though. Slow, low DPS armour fits are just a pain in the ass solo - you can't catch anything, everything can catch you and you dont have the DPS to put ships down before help arrives.
Perihelion Olenard
#42 - 2012-11-27 19:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
That dual armor repairer thorax someone posted will seriously struggle to tank a single frigate or destroyer, now. It's unfortunate how terrible and pointless armor tanking has become. I miss the days when you used to see active armor-tanked hurricanes in PvP.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#43 - 2012-11-27 22:04:00 UTC
I'm sure armor will get some loving sooner or later, given the acknowledge problems with various bc's and their inevitable tiericide I'm pretty sure they'll try both. Honestly what expac are the going to do after this one? A pos rework would be glorious, but I don't see it happening sadly :/

That said, glad this inspired some curiousity. I see shieldrax is going to be very popular, I personally wont deal with dual webs with the tracking skill buff, I think dual prop or some form of ewar would be adviseable, but we'll see when it comes out. May the best rax fit kill everything.

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W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-11-27 22:53:52 UTC
Dualprop, lse, scram!
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#45 - 2012-11-27 23:53:15 UTC
wtb plausable active tanked fits so i won't have to dock up after every fight.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Perihelion Olenard
#46 - 2012-11-28 00:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
You can buy one in six months after the next expansion. Or fit an ASB.
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#47 - 2012-11-28 00:06:00 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
wtb plausable active tanked fits so i won't have to dock up after every fight.



Do an 800 plate / rep fit

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-11-28 00:32:39 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
AB + MWD plus of course web & scram (or long point if that's your thing) should allow you to keep things in blaster range which is, I believe the entire point of most Gallente "tactics". Big smile



Until you cross the road of some shield Thorax/Deimos/Vigilant putting holes in your ship at over 20km and having the speed/agility of some minmatar ship, it's really amazing how much better and efficient these ships are with shield fits.
Of course you need top shield skills to profit at best from the few slots you can fit with mods, but with a 4th one on mids pointing his nose around all I can think is that this ship will make some talk about until it gets nerf to the ground like previously.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#49 - 2012-11-28 00:37:36 UTC
I simply like armor too much regardless of how strong the shield variants are. And you know when they finally finish this up or during the final tiericide they're going to do something with shield vs armor, and odds are they'll try nerfing ships using their non concept designated tank type.

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Gangname Style
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-11-28 16:50:14 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
I simply like armor too much regardless of how strong the shield variants are. And you know when they finally finish this up or during the final tiericide they're going to do something with shield vs armor, and odds are they'll try nerfing ships using their non concept designated tank type.


Why?

Variety is good.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#51 - 2012-11-28 17:35:58 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
wtb plausable active tanked fits so i won't have to dock up after every fight.



Do an 800 plate / rep fit


Is it just me, or does the rep fit seem abit underwhelming?

This was the best I could come up with:

[Thorax, Brawler]
Medium Armor Repairer II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Energy Burst Aerator I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

501dps
19,173 EHP. Reps 104/s
1720m/s with mwd

Unbonuesed armor repairs should definitely recieve a buff tbh.

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Sister Lumi
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-11-28 19:14:51 UTC
Nice fit (just a wrong type of burst aerator), but I agree that the viability of vanilla reps are underwhelming.

Slapping a repper on an Ishtar works because it has flexible range (and T2 resists) to get out of the worst heat where repping benefits more, but on a brawler 100 hps is just too little.

Armor module repping amount is way behind shields and needs to be looked at soon.
Karmu Ivanostrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-11-28 19:22:48 UTC
Thats really sad, because I really like the idea behind hybrid buffer+active tanks
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#54 - 2012-11-28 19:37:34 UTC
Sister Lumi wrote:
Nice fit (just a wrong type of burst aerator), but I agree that the viability of vanilla reps are underwhelming.

Slapping a repper on an Ishtar works because it has flexible range (and T2 resists) to get out of the worst heat where repping benefits more, but on a brawler 100 hps is just too little.

Armor module repping amount is way behind shields and needs to be looked at soon.


Facepalm... ohh well it does 533 dps with the correct rig. Which is only 5dps less than a double magstab 1600plated thorax.

Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:
Thats really sad, because I really like the idea behind hybrid buffer+active tanks


Yeah, I have always been a great fan of Kil2's ways of fighting. The 1600plate + medium rep harbinger is pretty awesome.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#55 - 2012-11-28 19:42:02 UTC
The rep fit is just to get out of situations and rep after fights, don't use a rep rig, use trimarks

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Karmu Ivanostrov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-28 19:44:46 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
The rep fit is just to get out of situations and rep after fights, don't use a rep rig, use trimarks


Or resistance rigs which could benefit both?
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#57 - 2012-11-28 19:47:25 UTC
Generaly I have a dmg rig, exp rig, and a trimark. It's entirely to your flavor, but honestly the rep amount is terrible on all accounts. Really what I do is just use it to warp out, rep come back, or rep between battles. It's barely going to save you.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#58 - 2012-11-28 20:00:53 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Generaly I have a dmg rig, exp rig, and a trimark. It's entirely to your flavor, but honestly the rep amount is terrible on all accounts. Really what I do is just use it to warp out, rep come back, or rep between battles. It's barely going to save you.


Wouldn't it be better to fit a 1600mm plate and a small repper then?

The idea behind the 800mm + Med repper is to gain an advantage in longer fights. But given how terrible the repper is it will only be an advantage if the fight lasts more than about 100 sec. So I guess I'll just use the 1600mm plate for fleet combat and shield thorax for soloing.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#59 - 2012-11-28 20:09:40 UTC
I was merely suggesting it to the guy who asked for a rep fit. But yeah 1600mm plate the norm though I've tried the rep/800 before, it's alright, I'm sure if ccp ever fixes reps it'll be better.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#60 - 2012-11-29 09:03:28 UTC
[Talos, Talos fit] or how to convert it to a thorax

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L <- five medium hybrids that fit
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L - don't have those bottom three guns
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I <- maybe a damage rig

and ofc roughly similiar drone bay.


Fitting can be made so easy for the new thorax. Got no clue if the above fits, since buckingham apparently rejects me cause I'm a trackball user.