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Thorax's fourth med slot

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#21 - 2012-11-26 03:58:15 UTC
Well with the skillbooks for sensors etc. aren't those boats getting a middle finger anyway? I know they reduced the percentage to 4% instead of 5, so can't comment on what the success rate will be like now.

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Worpout
Quafe Racing
#22 - 2012-11-26 08:19:50 UTC
I would definatly do a hypnos multispec ecm or an ecm burst.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#23 - 2012-11-26 09:56:08 UTC
No kitey rail fits?

I haven't tried to fit a retribution 'Rax yet, but I would have thought the speed boost and extra mid combined with the existing drone bay for frig defence should make them pretty workable.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Ra1ne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-11-26 10:24:18 UTC
yay more cap for mah miners :)


[Thorax, munchy munchy]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array

Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Miner II
Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Perihelion Olenard
#25 - 2012-11-26 10:27:51 UTC
Wouldn't you mine more with the vexor due to the drone bonus?
Ra1ne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-11-26 11:43:40 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Wouldn't you mine more with the vexor due to the drone bonus?


ooh maybe...

twas a troll tbh Lol

liking the idea of a 2nd lse
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#27 - 2012-11-26 12:28:38 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I will probably fly her like this.

[Thorax, Heavy Armor]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

With either Warrior + EC-300 or Hammers / Valks. 1550m/s / 2180m/s overheat ain't bad for a 40k EHP Ship. +3 PG Implant already bought.


Electrons and 1 MFS - that's actually asking to be killed by every other cruiser in the game. The thorax has the DPS advantage over other cruisers... either take advantage of it or fly a rupture.

At least 2x MFS and Ions.
Alara IonStorm
#28 - 2012-11-26 14:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Maeltstome wrote:

Electrons and 1 MFS - that's actually asking to be killed by every other cruiser in the game. The thorax has the DPS advantage over other cruisers... either take advantage of it or fly a rupture.

At least 2x MFS and Ions.

Lol no.

Which other Cruiser will kill me? With Void and Hammers I have 600DPS on overheat with duel webs, With the tank I have 40k EHP. As for a Rupture you should know an Armor rupture does less DPS then an Armor Thorax and is slower. You should know that an Electron Thorax's Guns with 1 Mag Stab CAM does about as much Dmg as a Shield Rupture with 425mm Guns and 2 Gyro's running RF Ammo. Thorax is fine for Dmg over the Rupture and has a great tank. You want to fly glass be my guest.

I am sure you can find some fit on one ship to beat this thing but fact is I like my chances in this Thorax, it hits 500-600, has a solid tank, lots of webs, great tracking and moves 1550m/s, 2187m/s on overheat.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#29 - 2012-11-26 15:38:56 UTC
Probably mwd + Ab + scram + TD, maybe a cap booster.

Depends on the fit over all, hard to say atm.

I can see how dual webs are appealing tho.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-26 18:38:01 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Well with the skillbooks for sensors etc. aren't those boats getting a middle finger anyway? I know they reduced the percentage to 4% instead of 5, so can't comment on what the success rate will be like now.




Modules got their strength reduced, which is indeed a good solution to see this hilarious situation where everyone and his cat can fit those and jam/whatever. Damps were used because of this, those got nerf to the ground because of this.

Increase bonus in dedicated hulls, once again was the best decision.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-26 18:43:25 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Probably mwd + Ab + scram + TD, maybe a cap booster.

Depends on the fit over all, hard to say atm.

I can see how dual webs are appealing tho.


I'm more about double web/disruptor/mwd in armor fit because imho, with blasters whenever you get in range to apply dmg you're already in scram range and no AB will ever save your ass, but a double web yes.

Shield I see it more like a Vaga, build a bunch of those for testing but I'm already very happy with the shield version, having another mid slot will only make it really nasty to take down.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#32 - 2012-11-26 18:49:00 UTC
Has nobody realized that it will essentially become a mini Brutix?

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Perihelion Olenard
#33 - 2012-11-26 23:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Has nobody realized that it will essentially become a mini Brutix?

For six months, yes. Then the brutix and other battlecruisers will get some attention and will probably be worth flying.

I have a feeling armor tanking will get a little boost in the expansion after this since CCP hinted that the problem with the harbinger is tied to shield vs armor tanking issues. Since battlecruisers are probably next I think CCP will do something to help armor tanks in PvP, especially active.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#34 - 2012-11-27 00:55:05 UTC
AB + MWD plus of course web & scram (or long point if that's your thing) should allow you to keep things in blaster range which is, I believe the entire point of most Gallente "tactics". Big smile

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DerArt1st
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-11-27 08:02:25 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

Electrons and 1 MFS - that's actually asking to be killed by every other cruiser in the game. The thorax has the DPS advantage over other cruisers... either take advantage of it or fly a rupture.

At least 2x MFS and Ions.

Lol no.

Which other Cruiser will kill me? With Void and Hammers I have 600DPS on overheat with duel webs, With the tank I have 40k EHP. As for a Rupture you should know an Armor rupture does less DPS then an Armor Thorax and is slower. You should know that an Electron Thorax's Guns with 1 Mag Stab CAM does about as much Dmg as a Shield Rupture with 425mm Guns and 2 Gyro's running RF Ammo. Thorax is fine for Dmg over the Rupture and has a great tank. You want to fly glass be my guest.

I am sure you can find some fit on one ship to beat this thing but fact is I like my chances in this Thorax, it hits 500-600, has a solid tank, lots of webs, great tracking and moves 1550m/s, 2187m/s on overheat.


You can't just compare EHP / DPS per second and tell exactly who will win. Sure a rupture does less dps, but a 1600mm plated rupture will be faster than you -> he will get range so u cant apply all your murderdps.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2012-11-27 08:30:07 UTC
DerArt1st wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:

Electrons and 1 MFS - that's actually asking to be killed by every other cruiser in the game. The thorax has the DPS advantage over other cruisers... either take advantage of it or fly a rupture.

At least 2x MFS and Ions.

Lol no.

Which other Cruiser will kill me? With Void and Hammers I have 600DPS on overheat with duel webs, With the tank I have 40k EHP. As for a Rupture you should know an Armor rupture does less DPS then an Armor Thorax and is slower. You should know that an Electron Thorax's Guns with 1 Mag Stab CAM does about as much Dmg as a Shield Rupture with 425mm Guns and 2 Gyro's running RF Ammo. Thorax is fine for Dmg over the Rupture and has a great tank. You want to fly glass be my guest.

I am sure you can find some fit on one ship to beat this thing but fact is I like my chances in this Thorax, it hits 500-600, has a solid tank, lots of webs, great tracking and moves 1550m/s, 2187m/s on overheat.


You can't just compare EHP / DPS per second and tell exactly who will win. Sure a rupture does less dps, but a 1600mm plated rupture will be faster than you -> he will get range so u cant apply all your murderdps.


Uhm.. The thorax is significantly faster than a rupture..

The dual web thorax under a skilled pilot will be able to get on top of most ships in the game (Kiting frigs/dessies excluded)

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#37 - 2012-11-27 15:10:01 UTC
DerArt1st wrote:


You can't just compare EHP / DPS per second and tell exactly who will win. Sure a rupture does less dps, but a 1600mm plated rupture will be faster than you -> he will get range so u cant apply all your murderdps.


Please do yourself and the rest of the eve community a favor and stop posting... As others have stated, 1600mm plated rupture will not be faster than a 1600mm rax...
Alara IonStorm
#38 - 2012-11-27 16:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
DerArt1st wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

I am sure you can find some fit on one ship to beat this thing but fact is I like my chances in this Thorax, it hits 500-600, has a solid tank, lots of webs, great tracking and moves 1550m/s, 2187m/s on overheat.


You can't just compare EHP / DPS per second and tell exactly who will win. Sure a rupture does less dps, but a 1600mm plated rupture will be faster than you -> he will get range so u cant apply all your murderdps.

Ignoring the Thorax is actually faster for a moment, this is a very common sight. This is what is called Magical 1v1 Land, a Magical place where the entirety of a ships worth is decided by the value of how X Ship in one fit does against niche fit Ship Y under a specific scenario.

Common sights you may encounter in Magical 1v1 Land.

* The challenger ship is always counter fit to the original.
* There can never be anything unexpected, doesn't matter if your winning ship takes an hour to take down its prey there will be no interruptions.
* Fights always start at the exact range X Ship is required to beat Y Ship, no warping in, no ambushing.
* It doesn't matter how X Counter Fit works against every other ship in the game, everyone will of course be flying it and it is the only ship you will face if you fly Y Ship.
* You change your fictional fit to beat it they will change theirs to beat yours and still claim X ship is terrible. By the end the fits are so niche that the chances of actually undocking are slim to none.
* Numbers are taken as absolute off the stats page, if you are 1m/s faster you can kite or control range completely and always.
* By the end everyone is just left confused.

How you fight Magical 1v1 Land is by refusing to engage the scenario and instead look at the overall value of a ship. See the underlined above, Solid Tank, Good Tracking, Duel Webs, 500-600 DPS and 1550m/s / 2180 Overheat. DPS to help your gang break through reps, speed to help you catch things at range, webs to help you hold things down and keep them from getting to gates, buffer that keeps you alive or in bigger situations alive until Reps.

The ship is good, it doesn't win at everything always and forever. There are Cruisers that can curb stomp it. It can do things that others can not like more Dmg then an Armor Rupture and more Tank then a Shield Fit was my original point. Other fits can do things it can not like more Dmg for less tank, other ships can do things it can not like shoot farther. That is good an all but this fit tanks well, does good dmg and isn't slow and that is good.

It is a good ship at what it is good at. Solid Tank, Good Tracking, Duel Webs, 500-600 DPS and 1550m/s / 2180 Overheat. I am going to have fun flying it.
Perihelion Olenard
#39 - 2012-11-27 16:31:02 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Duel Webs

The webs duel each other? A fight within a fight?
Alara IonStorm
#40 - 2012-11-27 16:36:01 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Duel Webs

The webs duel each other? A fight within a fight?

Duh. Loser gets the stacking penalty.