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Save the wormhole loot and our way of life from the farming hordes
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#61 - 2012-11-29 16:58:57 UTC
I think it's time to increase material requierements for T3 production. Then you'll see the prices go up again.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-11-30 14:32:43 UTC
corbexx wrote:

my main concern is more that these farmers are making it harder for new groups who want to come to wh space for the fun for the fights not for a isk printing press. to get set up they woudl rather start with a empty wh and build up. than have to try to clear a wh out . This may not even be a issue in c5 space as i am not sure how many empty wh's there are but there is certainly alot of farmers in c6 space and not alot of empty wh's.


Did you just said that pvp corps have problems taking systems from the dead hands of the farms, and thus they can't establish themselves to pvp?

To begin with, I wonder what would a pvp lover be doing in w-space at all. One doesn't need to be a genius to know how hard is to get pvp in w-space (unless you want to be on the losing side), even before going inside one and start living there.

Btw, good luck if you think that kicking people out of wormholes will magically atract new targets (how doesn't this sound ridicolous to you?). WHs are about greedyness and violence to defend your expensive assets or loot (or take it from others). If I wanted pvp I would join a gd null aliance, or go piratey in low.
Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#63 - 2012-11-30 15:15:14 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
corbexx wrote:

my main concern is more that these farmers are making it harder for new groups who want to come to wh space for the fun for the fights not for a isk printing press. to get set up they woudl rather start with a empty wh and build up. than have to try to clear a wh out . This may not even be a issue in c5 space as i am not sure how many empty wh's there are but there is certainly alot of farmers in c6 space and not alot of empty wh's.


Did you just said that pvp corps have problems taking systems from the dead hands of the farms, and thus they can't establish themselves to pvp?

To begin with, I wonder what would a pvp lover be doing in w-space at all. One doesn't need to be a genius to know how hard is to get pvp in w-space (unless you want to be on the losing side), even before going inside one and start living there.

Btw, good luck if you think that kicking people out of wormholes will magically atract new targets (how doesn't this sound ridicolous to you?). WHs are about greedyness and violence to defend your expensive assets or loot (or take it from others). If I wanted pvp I would join a gd null aliance, or go piratey in low.



You are kidding right? You do not seriously believe that there is no/few good pvp in w-space? And to say that, quoting, of all people, Corbexx? I mean, seriously?
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-11-30 15:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Alrigth, forget what I said then, but in MY experience, in low class wh's (up to C3), there's not much to be had, save for a stealth bomber that suicided 5 of our BS/BC while we were bashing a POCO 2 days ago.
Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...

By the way, the quoted text was talking about how pvpers had difficulties taking over farmer-occupied wh's. The 'not as much pvp' was an addition directed to the general sense of the thread.

Edit: TBH I don't think there's 'good pvp' in EVE at all, in the usual sense. 99% of time (not statistically accurate) it's one-sided massacre. But that lawless carnage is what makes the game appealing to some, where I include myself.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-11-30 15:34:29 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Alrigth, forget what I said then, but in MY experience, in low class wh's (up to C3), there's not much to be had, save for a stealth bomber that suicided 5 of our BS/BC while we were bashing a POCO 2 days ago.
Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...

By the way, the quoted text was talking about how pvpers had difficulties taking over farmer-occupied wh's. The 'not as much pvp' was an addition directed to the general sense of the thread.


"good fights" are certainly less common. ganks on the other hand, are pretty common. but yeah I see your point.
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#66 - 2012-11-30 15:48:51 UTC
What does the price of Nano's matter?

More PVP? More PVE?
Where are you going to find that in WH space with the new (no SDing in pos's) taking effect?

Every large WH corp and alliance will be taking down as many pos's as they can in the next month just to see what they can get. Makes you wonder who the farmers really are. What does this mean? It means they are creating the very thing they are complaining about, not enough pilots to shoot. They will of course go after all the small corporations because they very rarely fight one another.

If you are a small corporation with a lot of assets I would pull the expensive stuff out now before they start their stupid pos takedown marathon.

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-12-01 10:20:07 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
What does the price of Nano's matter?

More PVP? More PVE?
Where are you going to find that in WH space with the new (no SDing in pos's) taking effect?

Every large WH corp and alliance will be taking down as many pos's as they can in the next month just to see what they can get. Makes you wonder who the farmers really are. What does this mean? It means they are creating the very thing they are complaining about, not enough pilots to shoot. They will of course go after all the small corporations because they very rarely fight one another.

If you are a small corporation with a lot of assets I would pull the expensive stuff out now before they start their stupid pos takedown marathon.

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Illipsys
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-12-01 14:31:15 UTC
I'd like to iterate that I have not found any proof for that statement made earlier, In which I also acknowledged & questioned the validity of it.

It would have far riding implications for w-space if it were to come into place, mainly due to what rover has mentioned ( can't believe he isnt sperging for once... gj )

The aggression mechanic change however will reduce the capability of these farmers to act with impunity, which is at least a step in the right direction ( in my opinion )

The main problem we find in regards to pvp, is the amassing of dreads in home wormholes which makes direct connections a mexican standoff by proxy. No one wants to face 2 lokis & 12 dreads, it's just a massacre =[

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bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-12-01 19:46:20 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:

Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...




Found the problem. If you aren't looking for it you won't find it.

If all you do is open your static(s), and maybe a few more holes, you aren't going to find much. It's like going to null, making 3-4 jumps and throwing your hands up saying "There is no pew in 0.0!"


You have to scan, or roll a ton to find pew. If you hit empire keep scanning.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-12-01 19:51:17 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:

Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...




Found the problem. If you aren't looking for it you won't find it.

If all you do is open your static(s), and maybe a few more holes, you aren't going to find much. It's like going to null, making 3-4 jumps and throwing your hands up saying "There is no pew in 0.0!"


You have to scan, or roll a ton to find pew. If you hit empire keep scanning.


+1 to that. In wormhole space you actually have to work for everything you do, be it isk making, pvp or whatever. With no effort put into it, all you'll get is a whole lot of nothing.
Bei ArtJay
Side Kicks
Unspoken Alliance.
#71 - 2012-12-01 20:19:20 UTC
I thought this was an appropriate place to link this video I made.

WARNING PVE SECRETS INSIDE ONLY PVPERS ARE ALLOWED TO OPEN THIS LINK ABSOLUTELY NO FARMERS OK YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED OH WAIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQ8pU0OBb0
Janus Nanzikambe
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#72 - 2012-12-01 20:26:10 UTC
Bei ArtJay wrote:
.. secrets ...


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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#73 - 2012-12-02 02:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
The carebear farming crowd are mostly in the lower classes, which dont kick out anywhere near as much materials and isk as the class 5 and 6s. The higher classes are where the majority of the masses of isk is made, so its there in which you need to address your worries about the devaluation of WH goods. Though tbh, its to be expected, as more and more players move to wh-space, its bloody obvious that the price for the things found there would drop as more and more finds its way to empire space.

I mostly disagree with everything you've written here as well. Big smile WH-space is farming with the constant risk of sudden unexpected PvP!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Treeati Harnsore
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-12-02 04:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Treeati Harnsore
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Treeati Harnsore
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-12-02 04:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Treeati Harnsore
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#76 - 2012-12-02 04:33:10 UTC
How does one tell the difference between a 15-man corp building up to be competitive and "true" (LOL) residents of W-space and a 15-man farming corp?

Last I checked, mind-reading was still not a thing.
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-12-02 04:40:04 UTC
Paikis wrote:
How does one tell the difference between a 15-man corp building up to be competitive and "true" (LOL) residents of W-space and a 15-man farming corp?

Last I checked, mind-reading was still not a thing.


TBH KB's are a good indication of a corps inclinations. If they have heavy losses in WH-space and ALL their kills are in Null its a good indication that the WH is a farm hole for them and obvious they do no exploring/killing in WH's.

If a corp living in WH-space only has losses in W-space and have made no attempts to find PVP then it is clear that they are a farming corp and not interested in PVP. PVP in WH space is easy enough to find even solo looking for ganks. I don't expect to see 15 man corps with fleet kills against other fleets but if they don't even have basic drake or indy ganks on their KB then they are their for farming alone, it is that simple.

I can understand why people POS up when they see or feel the numbers would be unbalanced, i have most definately done this myself many times while solo living in a C3. But then when that fleet was gone i left my POS and went looking for people to shoot at.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-12-02 12:57:23 UTC
bubble trout wrote:

Found the problem. If you aren't looking for it you won't find it.

If all you do is open your static(s), and maybe a few more holes, you aren't going to find much. It's like going to null, making 3-4 jumps and throwing your hands up saying "There is no pew in 0.0!"

You have to scan, or roll a ton to find pew. If you hit empire keep scanning.


Well, sure, but that's exactly why I am currently considering it hard to find. I welcome pvp (or would do if my combat ship hadnt went kaboom already) if it comes trough a gate/hole, but rolling several holes just to maybe destroy something or lose some ship? Meh, can't be bothered.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#79 - 2012-12-02 15:30:11 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Well, sure, but that's exactly why I am currently considering it hard to find. I welcome pvp (or would do if my combat ship hadnt went kaboom already) if it comes trough a gate/hole, but rolling several holes just to maybe destroy something or lose some ship? Meh, can't be bothered.


There we have your problems: A combatship. If you have more PvE ships than PvP...
And if you are waiting for people to come to you and fight you outgunned then eve pvp isn´t what you are looking for and you are by most wormholers standards a carebear.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-12-02 17:19:30 UTC
So be it.

Self-proclamed pvpers like to complain about pvers no matter what, anyway.

Pveing in hi-sec? Omg risk-averse carebears. Why don't they go null. Drop concord protection, let us kill them.
Pveing in wh's? Omg risk-averse carebears. Why do they come wh's. Get out of here.
And so on.

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