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Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-11-24 17:28:18 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Obviously, both systems should be changed.

Into lowsec.

This.
Jackal Datapaw
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-11-24 17:33:42 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Jackal Datapaw wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Obviously, both systems should be changed.

Into lowsec.


our black frog division would love that! we could charge 200m per jump instead!

but I do not think this is the way CCP want to go..



hmm good way to put yourself out of business, I think the jump freighter for us charges us based on the amount of M3 we wish to transport, and it under a thousand per m3

200m per jump, they would just laugh in your face and tell you to gtfo. I'm a blockade runner, which I have to take a 71 jump trip through low AND null sec and I wouldn't even charge that much lol.



well, Black Frog always charged per jump, we they are doing 1000 contracts per months, so. (and they charges per jump, not gate, not contracts.)

and i'm not sure how your JF pilot can charge by M3. a BPO from outer ring is 0.1 M3, can worth a lot of money, and consum the same fuel that if you use all your cargo space...

imagine if, like the quote says, there would be no more high-sec route between the 4 empires.


actually quite easily, as once you become a trusted jf contractor, you will find you will be transporting more then just BPOs, you will be transporting minerals, rigs, ammo, salvage, to AND from high sec to low/null sec. Most of the time people don't just send one item, they send a mass amount of items that they are unwilling or unable to transport themselves, most null sec alliances have dedicated transports that sometimes only transport as little as once a week or as most as once a day, so most people save up their cargo to max their own profit, thus maxing out the JF profit. If someone wanted to transport a list of BPOs or BPCs, they would just call upon a blockade runner attention cause to be frank, Blockade runners can transport small high cost items at not just cheaper then a jf, but also in a sense quicker as I can back 5 or 6 runs between high sec and low sec in a day if I really wanted to.

Now, concord already exist in those systems like Mag said, if said route is that dangerous it time to use your brain and pick a new route. And if by some god forsaken reason you can't take a different route, but that little brain to work and get some escorts in your corp, of if you have cash to blow, hire some mercs to act as an escort.

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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#23 - 2012-11-24 19:32:38 UTC
Jackal Datapaw wrote:


actually quite easily, as once you become a trusted jf contractor, you will find you will be transporting more then just BPOs, you will be transporting minerals, rigs, ammo, salvage, to AND from high sec to low/null sec. Most of the time people don't just send one item, they send a mass amount of items that they are unwilling or unable to transport themselves, most null sec alliances have dedicated transports that sometimes only transport as little as once a week or as most as once a day, so most people save up their cargo to max their own profit, thus maxing out the JF profit. If someone wanted to transport a list of BPOs or BPCs, they would just call upon a blockade runner attention cause to be frank, Blockade runners can transport small high cost items at not just cheaper then a jf, but also in a sense quicker as I can back 5 or 6 runs between high sec and low sec in a day if I really wanted to.

Now, concord already exist in those systems like Mag said, if said route is that dangerous it time to use your brain and pick a new route. And if by some god forsaken reason you can't take a different route, but that little brain to work and get some escorts in your corp, of if you have cash to blow, hire some mercs to act as an escort.


since you obviously don't know what you're talking about for JF, I wont even answer to that.

for the second part of your message, once 5 goons are on you, even if you had 100 ships escorts, they kill you in 12 seconds. no merc can counter that. even concord can't counter the 2nd shot. that's why I ask for a revision of the sec status of those.

because no, there is no other route.
Jackal Datapaw
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-11-24 19:42:07 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Jackal Datapaw wrote:


actually quite easily, as once you become a trusted jf contractor, you will find you will be transporting more then just BPOs, you will be transporting minerals, rigs, ammo, salvage, to AND from high sec to low/null sec. Most of the time people don't just send one item, they send a mass amount of items that they are unwilling or unable to transport themselves, most null sec alliances have dedicated transports that sometimes only transport as little as once a week or as most as once a day, so most people save up their cargo to max their own profit, thus maxing out the JF profit. If someone wanted to transport a list of BPOs or BPCs, they would just call upon a blockade runner attention cause to be frank, Blockade runners can transport small high cost items at not just cheaper then a jf, but also in a sense quicker as I can back 5 or 6 runs between high sec and low sec in a day if I really wanted to.

Now, concord already exist in those systems like Mag said, if said route is that dangerous it time to use your brain and pick a new route. And if by some god forsaken reason you can't take a different route, but that little brain to work and get some escorts in your corp, of if you have cash to blow, hire some mercs to act as an escort.


since you obviously don't know what you're talking about for JF, I wont even answer to that.

for the second part of your message, once 5 goons are on you, even if you had 100 ships escorts, they kill you in 12 seconds. no merc can counter that. even concord can't counter the 2nd shot. that's why I ask for a revision of the sec status of those.

because no, there is no other route.


The galaxy is giant ass circle and you are claiming their is no other route around.... Yah, okay bub, I will be frank with you then.

THE SEC WON'T CHANGE REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU ASK YOU KNOW WHY? Once they make the exception for one person, they will have to make exception for other people. So threads like these need to stop, you are only clogging the forums, more then you exist in eve. So why should one person be appeased and leave everyone else in the cold? Also I didn't require an answer to the thing about JFs, as it was rhetorical not to mention it ended with a period.

I only have one thing to say for you.

Adapt or die.

Welcome to the life of EVE online.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#25 - 2012-11-24 20:41:24 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
no, there is no other route.

I just plotted a route from Rens to Amarr to Jita and back to Rens... it makes a very nice 54 jump figure "8" on the map. So no... there are other routes. You choose not to take them.

How did you Veterans start?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#26 - 2012-11-24 20:59:01 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
no, there is no other route.

I just plotted a route from Rens to Amarr to Jita and back to Rens... it makes a very nice 54 jump figure "8" on the map. So no... there are other routes. You choose not to take them.
Who'da thunk it.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2012-11-24 22:20:31 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Ok, re-read my first post then, it's explained pretty well I think.
Not really, no.

The OP only says that you want two systems to be safer. There is no mention of why.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#28 - 2012-11-25 01:24:33 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:

As you may be aware, criminal activities are on the rise, particularly in 2 systems, which are Niarja and Uedama.

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#29 - 2012-11-25 01:25:28 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
no, there is no other route.

I just plotted a route from Rens to Amarr to Jita and back to Rens... it makes a very nice 54 jump figure "8" on the map. So no... there are other routes. You choose not to take them.



... which goes thru the other problematic system.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2012-11-25 01:46:24 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
As you may be aware, criminal activities are on the rise, particularly in 2 systems, which are Niarja and Uedama.
Yes, that's just the same thing repeated. There is no reason why they need or should be made safer in there.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#31 - 2012-11-25 02:50:22 UTC
Because of TEST and Goons. Hell, I have heard that Red Frog won't accept cargoes over a couple of billion ISK anymore because the risk of freighter gank is jut too high.

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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#32 - 2012-11-25 02:55:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
As you may be aware, criminal activities are on the rise, particularly in 2 systems, which are Niarja and Uedama.
Yes, that's just the same thing repeated. There is no reason why they need or should be made safer in there.


well, I beg to differ.

Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#33 - 2012-11-25 02:57:38 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Because of TEST and Goons. Hell, I have heard that Red Frog won't accept cargoes over a couple of billion ISK anymore because the risk of freighter gank is jut too high.


we've never gone over 1b for Red Frog.

Blue Frog does, because we take precaution (some mentionned in this thread) but we charge at least 3 times the prices.

Black Frog does too, but they use JF, so it's easy to avoid those system.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-25 11:28:31 UTC
Well, obviously Concord has limited resources... if they were to increase the security in these systems, then other systems would have to suffer....

If Concord is going to focus more on core systems... then one might expect some fringe 0.5 systems dropping down to 0.4.

How about for every 0.5 system that you take to 1.0, then 5 0.5 systems drop to 0.4....

Maybe mass voting... all players with a positive sec status periodically vote for a system to bump up the sec status, those with the most votes get increased, and then those increases come at the cost of the systems with the least votes (only applicable to empire space, obviously- also not applicable to FW systems)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2012-11-25 13:00:45 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
well, I beg to differ.
You can beg as much as you like. It doesn't change the fact that you haven't provided any reason or reasoning for such a change.

So: why?
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#36 - 2012-11-25 14:11:33 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Well, obviously Concord has limited resources... if they were to increase the security in these systems, then other systems would have to suffer....

If Concord is going to focus more on core systems... then one might expect some fringe 0.5 systems dropping down to 0.4.

How about for every 0.5 system that you take to 1.0, then 5 0.5 systems drop to 0.4....

Maybe mass voting... all players with a positive sec status periodically vote for a system to bump up the sec status, those with the most votes get increased, and then those increases come at the cost of the systems with the least votes (only applicable to empire space, obviously- also not applicable to FW systems)


well, it doesn't have to be a .5 turning into a .4, it could be a 1.0 turning into a .8!

but I like that idea. :)
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#37 - 2012-11-25 14:23:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
well, I beg to differ.
You can beg as much as you like. It doesn't change the fact that you haven't provided any reason or reasoning for such a change.

So: why?


ok, since you don't seem to be able to understand a simple concept.

The game constently change. the market change. the way it's played change.

there's one thing that didn't changed for years (since the highway gates closed) and it's the security status of any systems.

The point of this thread is that this shouldn't be this way. Concord should react to piracy accross all high-sec, and should ajust.

When a system become problematic, the security should change overtime. when a system is not problematic, it should goes down.

this would create a new dynamic where gankers would spread their attack. Right now, I think it's too easy to just sit and wait in Uedama or Niarja for any freighters that come. if we put them in a .8 or .9 sec status, that would spread the fun, and make the gankers actually hunt for those!


this wouldn't prevent the dumb freighter pilot hauling 80+ plex in them and get blown up (even in those system if they wanted to). this wouldn't remove ganking from the game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2012-11-25 16:13:10 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
The point of this thread is that this shouldn't be this way. Concord should react to piracy accross all high-sec, and should ajust.
Why?

Quote:
this would create a new dynamic where gankers would spread their attack.
Why is that needed?
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#39 - 2012-11-25 16:23:59 UTC
for fun, diversity, and because that would make sense?


why is there any change in this game?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#40 - 2012-11-25 17:46:37 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
why is there any change in this game?
Because it provides tangible improvements to gameplay and/or balance.

None of that seems to be present here.