EVE General Discussion

OP - you labor under several misconceptions or delusions.

1) that Eve is solely a "heavy PvP" game and nothing more. From the very beginning, how wrong you can be.
There is nothing PvP about the market, manufacturing, mining (although could be), invention, missions, etc.

2) the "possibility" of non-consensual PvP equates to consensual PvP and is/was the sole intention for all interactions between two players.
Ex: (works for point 1 as well) COD, BF2, etc. You encounter someone who is not on your team ... you're suppose to shoot them. That's how you win and the way those games ARE designed to be played. (i.e. consensual PvP as intended) You would never stop and try to sell that person a new gun or ammo. You wouldn't try to sell them a uniform or spend time mining the minerals to make the gun powder for your team or the other team to make [in game] money or materials. (no player driven market)

3) That PvP is really PvP - it often is nothing more than PvM (player versus mob) I think most players beyond a 12 month skill base would be fine with engaging another player, If they knew that 5 seconds later 12 additional ships wouldn't appear in the equation against them.

For a sand box game, you'll never get a lasting interest or realistic results if there are no real consequences to ones actions. These real consequences don't matter if you don't have a real loss to loose from the interaction. (losing a low dollar hull in a gank tactic is not the same compared to loosing a non-combat hull like a mining barge to said gank tactic) I've seen this same human behavior trait with games like Poker Stars. People make bets that they would have NEVER made in RL because it didn't matter. Now, switch over to the real money games and suddenly the bet amounts were much more in line with RL risks and avatars wouldn't take chances on hi risk bets. I see the same thing here in Eve.

Only now, because of impending changes in the form of crime watch, and the bounty system, your "means nothing" betting game is suddenly going to potentially cost you. And you're queasy at the thought that you might actually have to answer for your actions. I love it.

Why exclude T1 ships from the list?

Seriously T1 ships have gotten so much love lately they're quite flexible and mean these days.

And on that note

Stop asking to be spoon feed, real predators find their prey

Holy S**t! Are you dense lmao. You have played this game too long if you dont consider your alts...as you, but as something separate from yourself.

If by throw away you mean, make hundreds of billions then yes. incidently, all of our funding for these activities comes from high sec.

... and it had 5k concurrent players.

For some unfathomable reason CCP decided it was not exhalting to make no income and have to close their oh-so-uber-1337 game down so they had to open it to the other vile piece of garbage that brings the food home.

The only problem with EVE is the White Knights and the Monks.
There are none.

This is eve, things arent allowed to evolve here... Didnt you learn that in your embryo tube child?

Buff to concord response times, removal of insurance on concorded ships.

Suddenly those destroyers and battlcruisers are more expensive than the thorax and battleships we used to use.

Can you prove your premise that there are more older players in 0.0 and low sec than there are in high sec?

My personal experience is very different than that but I'm willing to look at your proof.

Think back to when you started playing eve. Most of us could not afford to lose our ship, especially true when you jump into a cruiser or battlecruiser for the first time. There is a certain vulnerability present during the first few weeks of gameplay. It's only much later when running level 4s become easy that most players turn their interest to null.

Im all in favour of boosting concord in high & eliminating easy ganks. If you wanted to fight in high sec, there are wars for a reason. If they hide in corps like 'the scope' then ccp needs to rethink their stratagy.