EVE General Discussion

There has indeed been a noticable rise in risk adverse superbears who are intent on getting rid of eveything bad that might happento them because of their own stupidity. THe barge buffs have taught us that just making fun of these people can result in CCP making bad changes to ships, hence why we now jump down the throat of these threads and choak them with facts.

It's almost as if providing a reasoned counter-argument based on facts and logic is more persausive to CCP than forum trolling.



Almost.

Dude, I am the sister of an older player that has spend most of it's time in high security space.

If there is anything that has a negative effect on this game (I have been absent for a few years, just returned) it is that the game is being held hostage by "PVP-players" that think they have some goddamn right to enforce their will on the many. Just FYI everyone goes about their business in Eve and everyone adds, where ever they are on the spacemap.

The space-ship combat PVP-element of Eve is one of the most ******** gameplay implementations I have ever witnessed. I play this game because I like Sci-fi and at first having a character, consequences and combat that lured me in.

But what does it all boil down too?
Snipped - CCP Eterne

Ok said differently:
Timers
Alts
Metagaming
Waiting games
Abuse & combination of game mechanics

I see no sci-fi space combat in there....

Dude, I just wanted to log in with 1 character and play a complex game with space combat and explosions, not start up a database client and have to use 10 external programs to be somewhat successfull.

This isn't to say the game should be more Hello-Kitty online (there is too much of it in Eve already), or removal of alts etc... But the gameplay mechanics ought to be changed to resemble space-combat instead of timer & alt management, playing waiting games and so on.

Because I really have no interest to fly a ship just to have it taken from me because some *snip* - CCP Eterne has more knowledge of some timers.

And it is what conservatists cling onto, not seeing any chance for progression and making the game better. It is in a large part also CCP's fault who in my opinion had the idea to create an MMORPG, laid the proper foundations and after that was planless.
Because looking back at when I started (2006?) what has changed? Nearly nothing. The changes that have been done till now are not new features but largely repairing failures and annoying game design that were there when it all started.

And reasonable requests from the community are just ignored. Just look at how many YEARS it took them to implement a goddamn ship offset-slider for dual-screen users. YEARS for a SIMPLE SLIDER. That is just idiotic.

So please just stop this"us-1337-players" vs "the others".
There are really other pressing problems with a much deeper root cause.

I snipped some trolling and offensive language. Be polite. - CCP Eterne

How is anything not do-able after retribution? Ganking freighters as your example will still be do-able, no changes there, it is not being removed. After Retribution, you will have to make some choices. Do I gank this guy and RISK giving him kill rights? Should we fit tanks on these Talos ships and use a couple more in case someone comes by to use some kill rights? Maybe bring one or two of the new tech 1 logi cruisers just in case?

Yet you still claim this is a nerf to PVP, when really you are just risk-averse and do not want this new side of PVP to emerge. You do not want someone to come shoot at your ship, that is the problem here. You are actually complaining about a buff to PVP yet you masquerade it as a nerf to PVP to try to further your cause.

You say concord will kill me regardless of tank, well that's how it currently is. I suggest fitting a tank to deal with players not concord. If you can't kill the loot pinata before concord arrives, tha'ts unfortunate, you lost at PVP. Clearly you want to retain the current mechanics so that you never lose.

Is tanking mining barges silly to you as well? How about tanking a deep space transport to avoid a tornado alpha, is that silly?

I raised quite valid points about your arguments and now you are degrading this conversation to accusations of trolls, I think I'll find someone better to have a conversation with.

Well, if eve ever manages to make you quit i suggest you go play ultima online for the "really" hardcore pvp.

There is nothing wrong with living in highsec "amassing wealth" as shown in one of the ccp's trailers.What happened to the whole sandbox aspect if you are pushing your playstyle onto others ? Eve is not designed to be played only by "the way of the pvp". I really do wonder sometimes who the biggest carebears are, people who only pick the fights they know they will win(highsec "pvpers") or the ones who avoid any form of pvp because they are just not interested in it.

SO MUCH WIN.

Its not like we didnt before. The problem was that we didnt do it enough and it just got drowned out in all the threadnoghts. This lead to CCP mistakingly thinking that an unfitted hulk was profitable to kill. Something we should have adressed instantly.

Now we keep detailed records of what we are getting up to so we can back ourselves up with numbers and will counter every incorrect post to avoid a similar mistake.

I don't see what your problem is. You say unwanted PVP is a feature of EVE, but you don't want people to buy killrights on you, unwanted PVP isn't a feature if you're the victim...or something?

You will still be able to gank people all over empire with this patch. The only difference being that someone might gank you aswell...

Grow a pair of balls for god's sake!

In the case of the mack its actually better than a lot of the t2 cruisers now. It used to be around the same as a curse and never had an issue with tanking other than a need for slightly more fitting room.

so in return.. it's now time for you to complain. well.... what a turn of events. also. plenty of pvp in wormhole space. if you've got the balls to move there. but you prolly don't.. since you're all about the elite art of 'ganking freighters and miners in hisec PVP'

now if you'll say that you don't want to move to wormholes, cause that's where pvp is at.. or cause you don't have local.. or whatever other reason, I might just make a thread, crying about how you don't wanna do what I want you to do... cause yeah.. that's how life works.