EVE General Discussion

Maybe not all of them, but I have listened to many complaints about the time it takes to rat up a neg. security status, including complaints about not being able to do it in groups before that was fixed in Null, so it does happen.

I've also run into plenty of them in small to large groups and often with a spread out presence in Lowsec while they are not ganking in Highsec. Combination of gankers and Pirates really, depending on the day.

They don't just all sit in Highsec when they are not ganking apparently. Afaik, some do recycle alts continuously because it affords them greater anonymity right up until the first and following ganks until sec status drops to low.



At one point did pod killing become a legal activity in Highsec for anyone, -5 target or otherwise, aside from in a Wardec?



If I was a white knight I'd probably be doing great things for my fellow capsuleers, so no, but yes. ..and no, and that was my point exactly I'm afraid.

I'm just going to have to ask how exactly everybody else is supposed to or expected to avoid similar instances of unintended PvP?

It's definitely not lost on me. For years gankers have maintained that players should be able to police high-sec. Now players wil have some power to do that, and gankers are crying.



Oh oh oh, I'll take "because they're not really all outlaws" for 500, Alex!

Oh knock it off. CCP has not taken away your ability to gank freighters in any way.

I have played other PvP games where you and all what you have (including money) are permanently FFA. It's not so bad, expecially with a group. Groups should be quite easy to get for those who coordinate 10 ships attacks.




1) Stop ganking those freighters if you believe so and sit watching. I am sure that others will do it in your place.
2) The barges EHP buff is both a good thing and a tragedy.

- It's a good thing because ships should be killed based on their unwary owners carrying valuable stuff not because the bare hull is precious yet illogically unprotected. So, logically speaking, this has been a step ahead.

- It's a tragedy because they should have put a credible other risk in place of what they removed. IE make T2 mining mods valuable enough to make it worth killing those ships. IE shift the "I should gank this guy" decision from the bare hull to the contents or mods. Shift, not remove.




EvE won't have any massive player intake until it will get it's "Space Far West" flavour back.

- That flavour died the day nullsec became an immense blue ball.

- That flavour died the day hi sec barges / freighter ganks became the only content somewhat news worthy, instead of the epic null sec battle of the past. The gaming websites talk about EvE when epic stuff happens, the quite menial stuff going on these days is not worth any news. Also, Hulkageddon itself now is just old. Too old to still make to the news.

- That flavour died the day nullsec brought so little motion that botters now can mine high ends in such an high security that it's profitability dropped to hi sec levels.


CCP needs to shuffle and redo stuff in nullsec, it's that place that can make EvE inviting again.
CCP needs to implement mechanics that make the huge blue balls break and conflict born again.

Actually, these changes are almost certainly meant to curb freighter ganking. Trying to deny that is just silly.

CCP understands: freighter pilots are dumb, they want to autopilot their net worth between market hubs and straight through choke points. They shouldn't be inconvenienced when somebody smarter than they are decides to take them out. It's an acceptable tradeoff: make the game more idiot-friendly, cross your fingers for new subscriptions, nerf other things or declare them exploits when it doesn't work out the way you hoped.

Ib4 OP rants about how 'carebears' have ruined...oh wait...

The problem isn't the PvE player, the problem is the players with a lack of balance, wanting über-easy kills for no other reason than to pad a KB and grief others. Eve worked in the past because it offered lots of things to everyone. Now, more and more as time passes, players with an overblown sense of entitlement want to limit that, not because its good for the game, but because its good for them personally.

And FYI, BF3 was a crappy example, its a hunk of rancid ass.

Um, what? Freighter ganking is pretty balanced - it takes several players working in near-unison to pull it off.

Carebear rage is the only thing that gets me off anymore.

I agree. It is an exact process where Alpha per ship is calculated against a set amount of EHP and some coordination is required to put all the ships in place and whack the mole when it pops through.

Precise, but not very challenging once you know what you`re doing, I imagine.

All well and good, but I don`t agree that CCP is changing things to make Highsec carebear heaven. What I believe they are doing, is making Highsec less ganker friendly. Nothing lese changes, but that gankers now have a certain element of the unpredictable added to their activities. That`s all; nothing special.

Everything can proceed exactly as it did before and all the same tactics will work exactly as then, but maybe you might have to watch d-scan and pay attention to local while you`re doing it. Sounds a bit more like Low or Null to me, rather than a safer Highsec.

While I don`t believe it will really be any riskier, (for gankers), most of the time, it will have the potential to be. Maybe those that continue and succeed can actually call themselves Pirates and be respected as such in the future. Currently, a ganker is nothing more than another risk-averse player exploiting mechanics that allow them to place others at extreme risk without suffering any real risk themselves.

So, that will change. Hate for them to miss their appointment, but it might actually happen. That would be new.

Having considered all that, I still don`t see where players are getting this strange idea that highsec will become safer. Seems to me that it will in fact increase in risk by spreading the risk out to more players and opening up more opportunities for PvP.

I do agree that FFA on opening and taking from cans is a bit over the top though. I`m not sure how that is going to work out, but it doesn't sound good.

The plus side, is that CCP seems to have gotten very good at fixing things in short order, if Faction Warfare is any indication, so hopefully all the flaws will be fixed before long.

If you gank me, (or Pirate me as it were), in the future, you're welcome to loot my wreck. If I think of it, I'll probably even blue it for you. It's not like it's going to do me any good having 20 people popping each other over it anyway.

..might be amusing though.