EVE General Discussion

What is this....i dont even...
You told someone off because in your mind what they are doing isn't the right way to play eve. You think that they are playing a single player mode because they are not engaging in cheap pvp (like you, yourself2 and yourself3). You really are playing a single player mode by playing with yourself, it doesnt matter that you are engaging others, you are still "multiboxing wow dungeons to get all the loot for yourself" by not actually someone other than YOU in your fleet.

Also, whut ? Only noobs and lepers don't have alts ? Do i require 50m SP if i wish to grace myself with thy presence in chat ? Get off your high horse.
I honestly don't remember what games i played back when i was 8 because i grew up in Russia so the names would be different.
I never think of eve as single player game and never will. Its just wrong for you to tell others how they should stop playing single player mode while you are doing the exact same thing.

Also, players literally built this game around the requirement of having multiple accounts otherwise you would be at disadvantage. This kind of "hardcore mode" kills any kind of immersion.

I play this game in single player mode all the time. Me and my 7 alts that is. Infact, I find people that don't do that weird and undesirable. Why should I make many friends when I can just find two or three more good people that play like me and we have a fleet of 20+ toons.

Actually that there just states that you want empire to be more risk free.You are afraid that that change will bring risk to your freighter ganking.You are afraid that that change will make YOU and your 15 gank friends a viable target instead of just hanging there safe awaiting to kill a ship filled worth in the range of 1B to 50 B+.

I've pirated in my eve time but allways understood the risk with it and accepted that.Do bad things then take the pain that comes with it.I'll still pirate when the new change hits in at times and then i will still accept the pain that comes with it.If you want to play bad boy then actually have the balls to be treated like one is my understanding.

That is what's wrong with eve today , me me me ... i need to be safe just not the others.

Want to play null -like i too do before you think i am a high sec player - then play in null and if you like stacking isk in highsec be my guest and enjoy that.Why the F you lot are so occupied with what the high sec guys are doing is beyond me.The only thing i can come up with is that sov null by now is so killed and boring by the same guys who claim high sec is too safe that those types spend WAY too much time looking towards that 'safe side' of the game that they feel it should be as F'd up as their side is.

In conclusion rather kill the game as a whole then just have my side of the fence killed by my own doing.

I hear a lot of 'us' null guys claim empire is nothing and null brings all the content to the game ... so if high sec does not create content then why should it bother us.If they just stack their isk then why should that bother us.What we should be bothered with is the current state of null and that won't change by making high sec less safe.

Are people still unaware that gankers are outlaws, and therefore can already be shot anywhere, by anyone? Even after it was mentioned hundreds upon hundreds of times? How are kill rights going to make ganking riskier, if before kill rights gankers could be engaged at all times, and after kill rights gankers will be able to be engaged at all times? How would gankers be any more viable as targets after this patch?


Gee, maybe because they routinely put billions of ISK into untanked haulers, and autopilot them to and from major hubs, and it's really really profitable to kill them?



Oh man, these people and their entitled "I pay for it, so I can use it any way I want to" attitudes. Their pride prevents them from even considering the possibility that some things were meant to be used in certain ways. Whether it's playing solo mission grind mode, or not tanking their barges, or carrying everything they own in unfit Badgers, they continue to claim that they have the right to immunity from interference.

Even though the behaviors they defend are irrational and self-destructive, they defend them to the bitter end. I don't get it. I really don't.

Do these people also steer their cars with their feet, or watch their cable by plugging the fiber directly into their sphincters? Why are they so adamant about pushing their privacy and property rights in an environment that expressly confers no such things?

EVE is literally the only MMO I've ever played in which I had more than one active account, and I've played dozens of them. The closest I ever came in another game was when I almost got a second WoW account to be able to farm the AH for gold by exploiting price differences between the two sides via neutral AH transfers.

Soooo if they could be engaged already, even without killrigths, why should anybody complain about it?

The problem is, that gankers can't be engaged at any time under current rules. They either sit in Lowsec with a dozen friends in close proximity, rat down their neg. security status so they can't be engaged in Highsec, or they recycle toons so they can't be engaged in Highsec until they are ganking someone.

..and needless to say, once they've started ganking, they can't be properly engaged because Concord beats you to it. If they haven't ratted down their securrity status, then they just fly into highsec in a pod, and you can't engage them. They get an alt to drop off their next gank ship, they board it, they gank.

It's been this way for a long time, and I don't really think much is going to change because all that will still be just as effective after Crimewatch 2.0 as it is now.

If you can't get 5-8 people together to go roam in Lowsec without them being more interested in blowing up noobs and freighters and transports than engaging and fighting other roaming gangs, how do you think you're going to find 5-10 players to engage outlaws in Highsec?

The only thing that will really change, is the suspect flags being added and making Neutral Alts engagable when they assist the ganker, and the extension of killrights by proxy. Neutral alts are used in Station games rather than ganks, so that isn't likely to be particularly helpful, and killrights need someone to buy them that has a fleet, (that also buys them), in order to be a problem.

So you need 5-8 guys to get together at the right place, at the right time, to buy short-term kill-rights off of person A who has them and happens to be there, to kill Person B, who is the target and also happens to be there at the same time.

What are the odds?

This is the new generation of EVE players. They want instant gratification, rewards for no effort and the removal of anything that potentially inconveniences them. The lowest common denominator. CCP will change the game from the ground up to cater to them, even if they have to drive out the players that got EVE to where it is. Then some other WoW clone will come out and they'll flock there in droves.

Gankers most certainly can be engaged at any time under current rules, if they're outlaws, and the grand majority are. No, they don't sit in low-sec with a dozen friends in close proximity. No, they don't rat down their negative security status, and no, they don't recycle their characters, because doing either of those things is a much bigger hassle than just using the gank alts in outlaw mode.


You don't need for them to start ganking before engaging them, you know, because of that whole outlaw thing. Also, you absolutely can engage outlaw pods in high-sec at any time, in any system; there's no penalty, as long as they're actually -5 or below. You're correct about that last part though.


Finally, something you actually got right.


Are you that much of a white knight that you wouldn't gank a multi-billion-ISK freighter for profit? Do you really expect any degree of success in pushing your moral views on others when you tell them that instead of making a few billion ISK in one casual evening, they should rather go seek out enemies of equal or greater strength every single time, because it would be the honorable thing to do? Good luck.


That was indeed a pretty easy way to level, but still not required, because instance runs were so easy to get that spending another fifteen bucks just to save maybe 4-5 hours of casually running around didn't seem worth it.

The risk comes in the form of failed ganks.