EVE General Discussion

The tears (if you really want to call it that, because there aren't any actual tears) are basically because they're rolling out a feature that once again takes a big crap all over the concepts of bounty-hunting and mercenary work. First of all, they're forcing people to use alts for ganking with these changes, so right off the bat that means that the grand majority of people with kill rights on them will simply not be worthwhile to pursue. I'll have to chase Thrashers around, and then pay for the privilege of shooting them? Why? They're all outlaws, so I can skip that step entirely. And also because when...IF I activate kill rights, anyone can shoot them, so I might not even be the one who gets the bounty payout from the kill?

Let's see, the only things that currently generate kill rights are ship kills in high-sec or low-sec space. They're removing the low-sec kills part from the equation, changing the generation requirement to pods instead. So, great, once again, I will be able to buy kill rights against people who (1) have sec status that's as low as that of the gank alts and (2) never go to empire anyway.

So what's the point of this whole thing? I'll be able to pop my alt, and then scam people into buying my own kill rights, and maybe get idiots to aggress me and then kill them with my Vindicator and half-dozen Guardians? Is that it? Pray tell, why couldn't they implement this system in such a way that criminal activity isn't so extremely marginalized, and the system actually sees some legit usage?

I view his attitude as part of the problem. He acts like the game is solely there for his personal benefit. Sounds pretty singular to me. Where is there room for anyone else who does not share his exact personal interests and playstyle? He didn't leave any, and neither do you.

You just headlong, charge in and bull your way around demanding that everything be to your satisfaction, and who gives a flyin' f about other players, and especially 'carebears' and those who don't do it your way. That's narrow, selfish, inconsiderate, and contrary to increasing the playerbase by making the game available to a wider range of interests.

You only have one range of interest: yours.

I've played X3, and while I have enjoyed it, it lacks a certain something: other players. There is little point in building a corporation, making space complexes, and shooting up pirates beyond the early frivolous enjoyment of experiencing something new. I did like it, and I still appreciate it, and I'm thinking of checking out Rebirth when it comes out as it'll be totally different.

Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude, while good, were ultimately a disappointment to me. I did not play them for long, and aside from making hundreds of millions on the stock exchange and building one massive complex after another in my first week, I found little interest in continuing play because it felt like I had done it all before, and I had, in Reunion.

X3 isn't EVE, there are no other players, and AI isn't a substitute for player dynamics, whether they are on your side or someone else's, even when you don't engage with them. Just having other players making decisions and doing things around you, is so much more interesting than an AI endlessly repeating a set string of responses and commands and cycling identical patterns of behaviour.

Open your mind. There is more potential in EVE than just playing whack-a-mole with miners.

EVE will become a "massively single player game" whether we like it or not. Those are the types of players CCP wants - they want the commercial success of ToR, STO and SWG, all of which remain very active and have had steady subscriber growth without significant declines.

The thing I think is funny here is that you have been playing for two years, and yet you presume to tell the forums what Eve was like in its infancy. When I began, highsec was safe. You went to low sec if you wanted pvp. You went to null sec if you wanted wars.

I can't claim to know what Eve was like in the very beginning, but 6 years ago, there was little or no high sec piracy, except for can flippers and the like. It may be a nerf as you say, but it is a nerf of something that has grown, not something that was around since 2003.

Really, I don't think it's going to be that complicated. First off, someone has to get kill-rights; second, they have to be on hand to make them available, and third, it's not like the gankers can't be in and done before some players get involved. They regularly beat Concord to the punch, and that has an instant and timed reaction.

So maybe it'll be a little less predictable in Highsec, but really, what are the chances someone is going to try to take on 30 Tornados?

Pessimist.



edit: Really, do you know how many miners, and 'carebears' spend months trying to build a Corp in this game? There's no end to them. They try, they fail, they quit, and more replace them in a never-ending cycle.

If people were looking for single player, they'd be playing one and not here trying EVE.

And you'd be surprised at how many of those carebears, despite starting or joining corporations, treat this game as a single player experience. How do I know this? In the past four years or so, I've done about half a thousand empire wars, with a large chunk of those aimed against such corporations, in order to extract payoffs, etc. I've infiltrated a significant portion of those corporations. I know exactly how they operate, how their members view and understand the game, and what kind of rationale the leadership possesses, and the principles it advocates.

It's not pretty.

old players are hardcore pvp:ers? all decent old players have now left eve, the vets that still exist in those supposedly hardcore 0.0 pvp alliances these days are RMT:ers blue to every one to make sure they roll in the dough each month.

This game is dead and it always has been since BoB won eve by cheating years ago and only difference from then and now is that MC is called PL.

If you want to enjoy eve without the BS there is only lowsec and highsec left.

You can openly recruit people, and still be quite successful despite multiple infiltrations. But for that, you need to have a proper organizational structure. Leadership is not for everybody. A lot of people feel entitled to their "right" to run 120-character Caldari space mission corporations, but those are the people who get burned the hardest. If you properly plan, and properly run your corporation, spies and thieves are at most a light nuisance.


Most of those players enter the game with that mindset. I've seen it happen countless times; newbies barely get out of the free trial, and are already chipping away at some .9 Veld 30 jumps away from corporate HQ. Why? Because the corporations are so terrible that they don't get anything out of team play.


I detect quite a bit of paranoia there. Are there spies and thieves? Sure. But when you tell me that all but one of your recruits were such people, I simply don't buy it. As a spy, I got pretty good at detecting other spies, and even in the large bear-fests that shoot from ten members to a hundred within a week, the baddies usually number in the single digits.


Like I said, leadership isn't for everybody. There's nothing to be ashamed of here. Some people simply aren't good at it. Just like some people aren't good mechanics, or good doctors, or good teachers.


That is a terrible attitude for a CEO to have.


I didn't build an air of distrust. We're talking about people here: naturally-cynical living beings.

You'd be surprised, but even as a spy, I did more to help those corporations than the leadership could even fathom. I helped people fit properly, avoid other baddies. provided money-making advice, even led fleets against other war targets. What did the leadership do? Mostly grinded missions on out-of-corp alts, recruited random people in local, and yelled at everyone when they finally rolled up their sleeves and led fleets that ended in obvious disaster.

EVE is, was and forever will be dying