EVE General Discussion

It's funny because I actually totally agree with Ghazu.

We just disagree on the method of implimentation.

I think that there's some confusion.

Station exploration isn't walking in stations. It's a NEW idea. They decided instead of going from the bottom up they would be better off going top down.

Station exploration would be like the "end game" of WiS. It's what they originally expect to be the progression of the small iteration process. They would start with social enviroments, and eventually we'd end up shooting each other.

They stopped the iteration process and started prototyping what would have been the end results of that iteration process.

Your constant replies with the emoting thing made me think you don,t want to have WIS at all.
So maybe instead making the emote replies ,you could add your ideas and terms you are referring to .
And who knows ,maybe i could actually agree with you.

That is the problem with anything added to EvE ,is it.
In case of WIS some want combat ,others want social stuff .
some just want to get out of that hull and walk around .
i want a little bit of everything.
But to abandon a feature bc it is not as expected or not entirely on your terms?
If we do that, EvE does not evolve ever and even DUSTcrap would not exist

I don't get why so many people insist FiS and WiS are separate things. Go play Pirates of the Burning Sea (MMO from early 2008). You sail ships around the Caribbean (FiS), ships shoot each other, etc., just like in EVE. BUT if you manage to slow down the enemy enough to get grappling hooks going, you can board his ship and duke it out crew vs crew (WiS), where captains are player controlled and the crews are NPCs that obey basic commands, all in real time. Captains can be trained in various fencing styles (3 at launch). So instead of sinking the ship, you could board it and just stick your sword into the other guy's gullet and win that way, keeping the ship intact. If you were a pirate or a privateer class, you could even take that ship for yourself ("trade" it for your current one) and sail away in it.

Though boarding was always risky because either of the ships could be destroyed while melee was happening, and thus led to a loss. But with line of sight mechanics (which EVE doesn't have) and other features (such as wind and sail configuration affecting ship speed depending on direction) you could set up grappling action in such a way that your victim's friends couldn't really help (their friends' ship body would block you from their fire, and it would take too long to sail around against the wind). There were tactics involved. Unlike EVE where you can shoot through other ships, stations and stuff without any issues.

It was an MMO in which WiS and FiS worked beautifully together. Back in 2008. Why can't the same be done in EVE?

I think there's a possible layer to integrate WiS impelementation. New POS system, Dust integration.
When I saw that "eve universe" logo I had similar thought.
Maybe could be an option for CCP: developing a collection of separate games more flexible and upgradable sharing the same eve universe/background.

However this would also mean that they're giving up EvE as their main market option to move the focus to other models more inline with the mainstream market and more conventional.

And yes, also that they are givin up any project to implement a compelte sci-fi simulator.

I'd like to echo this.

At least with things like atmospheric flight, the PoS revamp, an the station exploration, they ddin't give us anything.

It wouldn't matter to me so much if there had never been an incarna. If they had just showed us stuff, but never gave us anything. Unfortunately they gave us something, and then said never mind.

THAT pisses me off.

WoW players have been bugging sinse '04 for Blizzard to put in housing. What CCP did would be the equivilent of Blizzard saying, OK, and releasing a patch that had houses you could by, never enter, and then a year later saying, Meh we changed our mind.

It's actually pretty ****** up. CCP jumped her slutty ass on my lap, started grinding around to get me all excited and then ran home laughing. Horrible way to treat someone.

Am I the only one who remembers the terrible uproar against WiS when it came out? Yes, it was due to the monoclegate, but the public also marched agains anything that smelled even a tiny bit as 'Incarna'. For one I will not blame CCP if they are cautious about coming back to the topic.




Because new destroyers, Venture, FW rework, bounty system rework, crimewatch, frigates, cruisers and mining barges revamp (a total of 40 ships), war system rework and the new ship models are "an update in a SQL table" or never happened.

We have been reading different forums then sir.
All I saw were rabid guys cursing at anything they could think about as related to Incarna. And this days you still can find people who hate WiS with all their soul (although if they do hate the idea or that CCP may be wasting precious resources on it is an interesting discussion), just take a look around.

Anyway, fine with me, I'm all for more WiS. Specially if they add casinos. I really want mini-games.

I want to clarify.

WiS was fine, incarna was a piece of ****.
What was expected of incarna no one would have been mad about, what they gave us most certianly was worth being pissed at.