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Windows 8 and your EvE

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#61 - 2012-11-23 02:23:53 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually


Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find Big smile


There's no start menu... Cry

There's a start screen thingy with a bunch of windows though What?

*Edit: FOUND IT! Big smile

My life is now complete

They hid it to make it easier for new winders users...


imo this whole thing is M$ banking on selling a lot of their tablets. Meanwhile Google Nexus 7 is projected to move 5 million units by years end, and probably greater numbers next year. After all, opensource Android doesn't force you to use a keyboard to run your tab (or cell) as M$ does. imo the OS misses the mark on being a committed PC OS at the same time targeting devices which it makes more difficult to use.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-11-23 02:25:22 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually


Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find Big smile


There's no start menu... Cry

There's a start screen thingy with a bunch of windows though What?

*Edit: FOUND IT! Big smile

My life is now complete

They hid it to make it easier for new winders users...


imo this whole thing is M$ banking on selling a lot of their tablets. Meanwhile Google Nexus 7 is projected to move 5 million units by years end, and probably greater numbers next year. After all, opensource Android doesn't force you to use a keyboard to run your tab (or cell) as M$ does. imo the OS misses the mark on being a committed PC OS at the same time targeting devices which it makes more difficult to use.



I embrace the challenge... at least it's not like a mac Blink

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#63 - 2012-11-23 02:27:45 UTC
Windows 8 doesn't look bad, it just looks like it was made for tablets and that there's no reason to change from Windows 7

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-11-23 03:05:53 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Windows 8 doesn't look bad, it just looks like it was made for tablets and that there's no reason to change from Windows 7


Also doesn't cap out at 8 gigs of ram Big smile

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#65 - 2012-11-23 03:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I liek Win 8 and that's all that matters...

still can't find the calculator that used to be in the start menu but I'm sure I'll find it eventually


Just type calculator while on the start menu it should bring it right up. This works for anything thats hard to find Big smile


There's no start menu... Cry

There's a start screen thingy with a bunch of windows though What?

*Edit: FOUND IT! Big smile

My life is now complete

They hid it to make it easier for new winders users...


imo this whole thing is M$ banking on selling a lot of their tablets. Meanwhile Google Nexus 7 is projected to move 5 million units by years end, and probably greater numbers next year. After all, opensource Android doesn't force you to use a keyboard to run your tab (or cell) as M$ does. imo the OS misses the mark on being a committed PC OS at the same time targeting devices which it makes more difficult to use.



I embrace the challenge... at least it's not like a mac Blink
Oh I agree on that, for sure. But it's like M$ is headed in that direction, as mac is pretty well dumbed down, especially ipads etc. But at least apple is keeping it separate, not trying to make one OS for everything. I'd never put Android on a PC, tablets work great for what they are, while I want developer and hard-core gamer power on the PC - and Laptop to a lesser degree. I know it's still under the hood, but the directional move of the presentation (UI) is disconcerting.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-11-23 03:24:57 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Oh I agree on that, for sure. But it's like M$ is headed in that direction, as mac is pretty well dumbed down, especially ipads etc. But at least apple is keeping it separate, not trying to make one OS for everything. I'd never put Android on a PC, tablets work great for what they are, while I want developer and hard-core gamer power on the PC - and Laptop to a lesser degree. I know it's still under the hood, but the directional move of the presentation (UI) is disconcerting.


I'm getting old, I also hate this change but damnit I'm staying cool Cool

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nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-11-23 03:27:03 UTC
ive been running windows 8 beta and upgraded to full windows 8 pro firday and its alot better then vista i had first on this pc.

ya its made for touch sceens but work fine with a mouse and work faster then vista did.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-11-23 03:57:36 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
ive been running windows 8 beta and upgraded to full windows 8 pro firday and its alot better then vista i had first on this pc.

ya its made for touch sceens but work fine with a mouse and work faster then vista did.


OSX is better than vista Straight

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Marcus Caspius
#69 - 2012-11-23 04:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Caspius
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
That is the single valid complaint anyone could have, but even that is purely subjective, as it's a matter of taste. I personally prefer metro ui over the start menu in 7. Sleeker look, bigger and more icons, improved search etc.


Some IT professionals argue that the UI is the system from a User Perspective. I happen to agree with them mostly... Users have openly revolted against perceived bad user interface design/implementation (remember Unified Inventory)??

Whether it serves the greater good is irrelevant as this is how users experience the systems we place in front of them.

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#70 - 2012-11-23 05:19:28 UTC
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
That is the single valid complaint anyone could have, but even that is purely subjective, as it's a matter of taste. I personally prefer metro ui over the start menu in 7. Sleeker look, bigger and more icons, improved search etc.



running windows 8 here, gotta say that no matter how AWESOME the underlying OS is, the interface will be always one of the most important things, and METRO and W/E will never be up to the level of the previous version and needs a lot of work on it.

I mean wtf I need 4 clicks to turn off. the windows update interface its uncomfortable to use and hidden in hell, and I use full applications I have absolutely no use For ANY metro app at all, so its just a lot of memory being wasted or waiting to be closed by the OS once I fill my PC memory (that if I ever manage to somehow use 32gb of memory) , I need to multi task a LOT and having my alt tab jump to metro when I need it to jump to some other app is frustrating as hell.


additionally if lets say I have eve playing and media player behind for music and I decide I want to change the song playing, the windows key no longer brings the taskbar in front so I can play the next song, instead it ******* jumps back to the metro desktop where I cannot do anything so I have to then click on the desktop menu, maximize the media player change song, re-minimize and bring eve fore again. when previous I could just press windows key, press the next or back button on the taskbar shortcut buttons and presto, tho yeah I could use a global hotkey plugin too, but then that means I have to install a third party plugin just because MS ****** up and didn't think of desktop real users.

for those who use winamp, jump to and extra functionality by definition are third aps since they are plugins so don't even come saying stuff like "use a real player" or alike.

I m still trying to find a way to disable the fast boot option since it so happens my very specific hardware config makes it such that if the computer is turned on and it does a fast boot, the GPU driver is left unstable and will eventually with 100% chance, crash on me. so I have to restart.

then add to that stuff in my job, when I have to setup a computer fast and I want it to join a domain instantly, I cannot just install and set it to join a domain, no I have to ******* burn a whole new disk using a cryptic annoying interface from MS to configure the installation to join a domain and god forbid I make a mistake typing something because the installation will go completely nuts.

I used to use an alarm gadget on my pc to wake me up, along with a pictures gadget to see lil pictures of my girlfriend, while I work or when doing other stuff, and to see the computer cpu use and alike, on a fast easy way on my desktop, now all that is gone unless I want to use a royal screen state wasting space piece of **** as the metro interface, if I had wanted a HUMONGOUS icons desktop I could have just set the icons to be extra large...

etc etc etc, I could continue this RANT (my first rant ever on this forum) for like 80 or more pages about windows 8... but I will just say this to resume it all.

The kernel its a unique piece of art like those that MS never ever created before (still tho not as efficient as they like to lie)


but the UI its the worst nightmare I had in my life ever and whoever though that slapping and forcing a tablet UI on a desktop system (and EVEN ******* WORSE ON A SERVER INTERFACE *windows server 2012*) Deserves to be stabled in the rear with a spear until it goes out through all his body and gets out of his mouth, Dracula style... and yes CCP you are free to censor that part, I do consider its a bit overgross... but I m pissed...
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#71 - 2012-11-23 05:57:12 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
and EVEN ******* WORSE ON A SERVER INTERFACE *windows server 2012*

That's why I use Linux for my servers (LFS + Blackbox). Well not that they would put metro ui on server editions, but just that they suck and obviously would put metro ui on a server edition lol just lol


I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
ashley Eoner
#72 - 2012-11-23 06:22:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
typical windows release cycle,

win 2k good
win ME bad
win XP good
win Vista bad
win 7 good
win 8 not too bad once you lose the metro interface but still not good

@shahfluffers +1 for the xkcd link
Vista is actually quite good. The problem was the original Vista was terribad and it took them a while to fix the problems..
Marcus Caspius
#73 - 2012-11-23 06:22:46 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
ive been running windows 8 beta and upgraded to full windows 8 pro firday and its alot better then vista i had first on this pc.

ya its made for touch sceens but work fine with a mouse and work faster then vista did.


ROFL - Windows 3.1 as better than Vista tbh.

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
TharOkha
0asis Group
#74 - 2012-11-23 06:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
anyone with Windows8. Can you check if this works? disable metro/enable start without 3rd party software

If yes, i will switch to W8 today.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#75 - 2012-11-23 10:59:27 UTC
I don't want to get Windows 8 because I'm used to Windows 7.
And I have no reason to upgrade. I don't need that stupid metro ui to mess things up.
Here's to hoping CCP will release a linux client.

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ISquishWorms
#76 - 2012-11-23 11:21:35 UTC
Soon as companies realise that not everything has to look like an apple and come in tablet form the better.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
Nakito Kobara
Yamagata Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#77 - 2012-11-23 13:59:02 UTC
Once you get used to Win8 its actually very good!

The same reaction was given for Windows 95 when the start bar arrived and now everyone is wanting it back! Roll

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Nyaris Wolfe
SHUT UP SEV
#78 - 2012-11-23 14:03:00 UTC
Definitely M8, wasn't that keen at first, but now I'm rather liking it.

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-11-23 14:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Ager Agemo wrote:

running windows 8 here, gotta say that no matter how AWESOME the underlying OS is, the interface will be always one of the most important things, and METRO and W/E will never be up to the level of the previous version and needs a lot of work on it.

I mean wtf I need 4 clicks to turn off. the windows update interface its uncomfortable to use and hidden in hell, and I use full applications I have absolutely no use For ANY metro app at all, so its just a lot of memory being wasted or waiting to be closed by the OS once I fill my PC memory (that if I ever manage to somehow use 32gb of memory) , I need to multi task a LOT and having my alt tab jump to metro when I need it to jump to some other app is frustrating as hell.


additionally if lets say I have eve playing and media player behind for music and I decide I want to change the song playing, the windows key no longer brings the taskbar in front so I can play the next song, instead it ******* jumps back to the metro desktop where I cannot do anything so I have to then click on the desktop menu, maximize the media player change song, re-minimize and bring eve fore again. when previous I could just press windows key, press the next or back button on the taskbar shortcut buttons and presto, tho yeah I could use a global hotkey plugin too, but then that means I have to install a third party plugin just because MS ****** up and didn't think of desktop real users.

for those who use winamp, jump to and extra functionality by definition are third aps since they are plugins so don't even come saying stuff like "use a real player" or alike.

I m still trying to find a way to disable the fast boot option since it so happens my very specific hardware config makes it such that if the computer is turned on and it does a fast boot, the GPU driver is left unstable and will eventually with 100% chance, crash on me. so I have to restart.

then add to that stuff in my job, when I have to setup a computer fast and I want it to join a domain instantly, I cannot just install and set it to join a domain, no I have to ******* burn a whole new disk using a cryptic annoying interface from MS to configure the installation to join a domain and god forbid I make a mistake typing something because the installation will go completely nuts.

I used to use an alarm gadget on my pc to wake me up, along with a pictures gadget to see lil pictures of my girlfriend, while I work or when doing other stuff, and to see the computer cpu use and alike, on a fast easy way on my desktop, now all that is gone unless I want to use a royal screen state wasting space piece of **** as the metro interface, if I had wanted a HUMONGOUS icons desktop I could have just set the icons to be extra large...

etc etc etc, I could continue this RANT (my first rant ever on this forum) for like 80 or more pages about windows 8... but I will just say this to resume it all.

The kernel its a unique piece of art like those that MS never ever created before (still tho not as efficient as they like to lie)


but the UI its the worst nightmare I had in my life ever and whoever though that slapping and forcing a tablet UI on a desktop system (and EVEN ******* WORSE ON A SERVER INTERFACE *windows server 2012*) Deserves to be stabled in the rear with a spear until it goes out through all his body and gets out of his mouth, Dracula style... and yes CCP you are free to censor that part, I do consider its a bit overgross... but I m pissed...


use WIN+T to bring the taskbar above everything else.

use win+R then type shutdown to shut down quickly, or place a shortcut on your desktop (i agree the shutdown button location is stupid)

open the control panel, click power options, then click change how the computer sleeps, then disable fast boot. Your computer will boot normally from complete shutdown now.

and finally, to fix all your problems easily:
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
#80 - 2012-11-23 14:33:47 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Any "alt-tabbers" out there that have windows 8?

Like to hear if you get DCed every time you do that.

I could always install eve on the kids Windows 8 machine, but how do I keep them
Interested in Minecraft after seeing eve spaceships on their machine?

Edit: this is a question concerning state management in windows 8



As EvE is not a 'metro' app then the normal windows rules apply as far as I know...

-CJ