Warfare & Tactics

The Amarr's problem (across all timezones) has always been cooperation and leadership. There have been a few people that were able to get everyone in the Amarr fleeted up and working together: Predator Elite, Xeno Nephilim, to some extent Eran Mintor. Currently there is no one left to fill that void of being the guy everyone trusts and will fly for. The Minmatar are blessed with multiple of these people who are all great friends, share intel, channels, etc. When a system falls for the Amarr, you here stuff like "Oh, it's because so-and-so-group didn't help." etc etc. I'm not saying everyone on the Amarr does this kind of blame-gaming, but in contrast, you never hear that **** from the Minmatar side. Instead, you hear stuff like "Okay guys, *we* lost the system, but here is *our* plan of attack to regain the upperhand." etc etc. The Minmatar alliances are basically one big love orgy. Our powers combined, and all that. vOv

Yay \o/ we got a mention in FW thread!!

Anyways the idea of a 'unified' militia turns my blood cold!

We are a militia! By definition we are a rag tag bunch of miscreants who just happen to fight for the same boss (the Amarr empire)

We roam, fly & fight depending on how our individual corps/allainces like. This is not a null sec power bloc building here people!
No I'm not saying we shouldn't cooperate with other corps/alliances but just saying that if we don't all get together to do stuff we are failing?! c'mon we are all here for the fights

We get together with other corps/allainces/groups for bigger ops when needed and just do our own thing the rest of the time.

Fly dangerous! Have fun! And come shoot me! (the minnies that is!)






nah bugger it.......everyone come shoot me!

I like blowing up!

What a load of horsecrap.

Allegedly, Minmatar acts like a giant ball of velcro in a cotton wool factory, with FCs everyone trusts and everyone hops in fleets for, with a dozen fleets advertised for SFI's. Uh, nope. There are many corps and alliances in Minmatar who will only let you join their fleets when they know you, know you aren't a sack full of knuckles, and aren't a spy. This results in the general militia scrub population being excluded from most fleets (except Polska's welpfleets; you join knowing you're going to lose your ship to a drunk up-phuckery). It takes time, dedication and a modicum of social ability to get into what Vordak alleges is a well-oiled machine of war.

Apparently SFI's are so cheap in the LP store you'd have to be an idiot not to use them when in Militia, but somehow can't get ahold of them in Amarr militia. Apparently, no one ever sells the hulls outside of Militia and they are never on sale in Jita or Rens or Hek or Dodixie. I mean...what's the eyeroll emotion?

Then Veshta cries tears of solitude about water under the bridge. Which is a river of Amarr tears about how great it used to be, and a bridge made of idiocy cemented with depression-laced myths. Last time I looked at the FW map Amarr had flipped a bunch of metro systems and were doing OK. There certainly wasn't a whole swathe of Metro before the hotfix which was so deeply contested it was pointless decontesting it; great farms for the Caldari alts and Amarr, whereas Minmatar had to funnel their offensive plexing into a handful of systems, or plex Caldari space - which had no effect on keeping the Amarr restricted to a handful of systems.

The fact is, Amarr suffers from the same problem Minmatar does, with old hands and old corps stubbornly sticking to their own corners and own fleets, and not being happy-go-lucky sociable with every scrub and noob in Militia. The only difference is that you obviously lack numbers of old hands, which is an historic thing and won't change until you work on the social aspects. Given most Fweddit people are manchildren or mentally disabled, a third of your allegedly "decent PVPers" are douchenozzles hanging around Hek undock, and the rest of you have aspergers syndrme, you have bugger all chance of changing anything, let alone pushing territory.

Take some anti-aspergers meds, get over your inferiority complex (via Cialis or viagra), and deal with it.

Hell no. Brag to all your friends instead.

Ill admit the minmattar get alot of **** pinned on them but you cant fail to agree there is a major differnece between buying SFI`s with LP and buying them outright. I dont think you can argue against the fact that the minmatar are generally richer (which i think is still half our fault for not trying to plex harder) so replacing the ships becomes easier.

I do object to the aspergers line though, some of us are still trying to put some emphasis on plexing and system control alongside the PVP, its just tough to get the numbers to compete.

Thanks for the recognition, we do try and bring the fights. Hopefully one day soon once out experiance and SP have built up a little more we can start to make them even more interesting. Also i dont think people complain about SSFI`s so much now, just an accepted part of life.

EDIT - I probably should have mentioned the rest of the alliance rather than just sucking up all the credit myself, very rare our alliance dosent all fly together. we just have the best corp name of course

December fourth.

That date will (hopefully) bring the end to five years of unbalanced core mechanics which means most of if not all of the old guard will return .. personally turned my back on FW before WBr came on the scene in earnest so have no idea what/why/who they did, prior to that I had tried pushing the damn boulder up the hill that never ends for 4 years, the chosen (by CCP, so no I will bash them in perpetuity) solution was to create the greatest farm in Eve history without addressing any of the actual issues is what urged me to withdraw.

As for PIE: The admiralty asked me, as I suspect they asked the handful of other in our ranks with extensive FW knowledge, for advice after the FF presentation, which I think is why the corporation chose to take the bench for the duration .. should be noted that had the corporation stayed I would have had to quit (corp, not Eve) as the FF changes had zero merit as far as I was concerned and represented a major setback for the "improve FW!" lobby.
Doubt the addition of a few more plexers that we might have supplied would have made much of a difference as we are talking pre-NPC change plexing (the boulder referenced above) .. and well, combat wise this year has seen very little of the fights I want and enjoy as it became a constant to-fro of alt farm hands after only a month or so with the "regular" big brawls once in a while.

PS: What fights worth mentioning were there pre-patch besides Kourmonen, if you are to be brutally honest and could they even hope to hold a candle to the blood/fun that came from Arzad, Sisieide, Lantorn, Ezzara back before FW was incentivized to hell and back?
PPS: I had a lot more fun when I was doing PvP so the opening observation is spot-on :)

In short (short is relative!): Thanks, but no thanks. I'll hold on to my bitterness until such time CCP proves to me that they know just what the hell they are doing .. so far 4/12/12 looks to be it .. four years of brokenass faggotry only to see change due to a completely unrelated incident (The Week of Jita Emoraging over NeX) and the resulting restructuring ... CCP did not choose to go back to FW (and Eve for that matter), they were forced to -- that is my main bitterness fuel and the fire it creates will need some serious dev sweat to put out.

Remember, remember the fourth of December.

I was just as bitter as you, and raging on the forums. Indeed, I refused to participate in the madness of CQ and avatar upgrades and instead chose a close up of of my freshly shaved left bollock as my avatar to express my rage at CCP.

I very nearly quit, but regardless of the reasons, it appears that CCP is moving forward in a generally favourable direction for most FW pvpers. Overlooking distractions FW is a lot better than previously.

You underestimate the impact PIE could have had. I know you didn't have huge numbers, but your guys could have led, advised and trained the general militia that were trying to plex. I know the NPC issue has made the Amarr bitter, but it has never prevented Amarr players from solo plexing so it hasn't absolutely hindered you. In the two weeks before the patch though the NPC imbalance was irrelevant as the plexes all had gangs in them fighting.

Regardless of RP reasons and loss of faith in CCP, PIE's biggest mistake was in leaving Amarr during their greatest hour of need in FW. All those years of work plexing and fighting to hold the line were thrown away when PIE turned from the fight when even the greenest Amarr noob was out and fighting.

You guys need to get back in the game and try to rebuild the Amarr because they need it. And you know you like killing the Minnies :)

With a saw, a hammer, a chisel, a gun, a change of clothes, a Swiss passport, and a huge false moustache, we might just stand a chance.
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A small painted wooden duck.

[quote=Veshta Yoshidapersonally turned my back on FW before WBr came on the scene in earnest so have no idea what/why/who they did,[/quote]

So basically you don't know anything. Keep being all bitter-vet though, it's quite amusing. I'm sure it's comforting to dream up imaginary scenarios of how inferno panned out when you have no first hand experience, considering your delusions of Amarr fleet superiority are so attached to your character's persona.

It's weird (telling?) that your RP character's superiority complex is bled through (grown out of?) your real opinions.