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The Big Lie

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-11-21 18:26:26 UTC
Hope this helps

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-21 18:29:37 UTC
Thanks for stating the obvious...

TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-11-21 18:31:16 UTC
The obvious is in dire need of friends in these parts.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-11-21 18:35:01 UTC
Of course it doesn't help. “The other” is always beyond all help, otherwise they wouldn't be “the other” now would they? Blink
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#5 - 2012-11-21 18:53:29 UTC
Good read, but I think you need to add a footnote to section (4). Some people are just there to annoy, incite argument, and get their yucks at the discussion's expense. They may be completely logical people (most legitimate trolls are) but they will not allow their logic to be visible and will make posts that are incorrect or intentionally uninformed. Not everyone is wise to their game so these detractors may be obvious to some but not all of EVE's forum-goers.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#6 - 2012-11-21 18:59:35 UTC
Nice article, well phrased, thank you
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-11-21 18:59:39 UTC
Actually the 5 Points that are made are excelent advice. I learned those when I was in school. They have been utterly dropped in any form of electronic communication the past 30 years.....as they are probably not taught.

Especially #1 about Huge Generalizations.

Good article.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-11-21 19:02:29 UTC
Berendas wrote:
Good read, but I think you need to add a footnote to section (4). Some people are just there to annoy, incite argument, and get their yucks at the discussion's expense. They may be completely logical people (most legitimate trolls are) but they will not allow their logic to be visible and will make posts that are incorrect or intentionally uninformed. Not everyone is wise to their game so these detractors may be obvious to some but not all of EVE's forum-goers.



This is a must read interview with a Troll related to the topic at hand:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Zoctrine
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-21 19:03:39 UTC
You need to get a life and/or get laid...





Also, this:


The Protato wrote:
Thanks for stating the obvious...

TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-11-21 19:05:13 UTC
Zoctrine wrote:
You need to get a life and/or get laid...





Also, this:


The Protato wrote:
Thanks for stating the obvious...

TL;DR: People are people, people have choices, people need people.




And they're off....... Roll (good GOD)

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#11 - 2012-11-21 19:05:47 UTC
I REALLY like that page. The entire thing is one big fat enema of TRUTH that most folks here are terrified of receiving.

I personally am a high-sec dweller about 80% of the time. I run L4s for cash, and I spend the cash on ships for PvPing in low/null with. Most of it anyway. Some of it goes toward upgrades to my L4 ship.

I don't want to see nullsec nerfed in any way, and I don't want to see high sec nerfed in any way. I don't want to change the game, it's fine how it is. It has aspects that appeal to all types of players and that's how it should stay.

By their fruit you will recognize them.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-11-21 19:13:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Actually the 5 Points that are made are excelent advice. I learned those when I was in school. They have been utterly dropped in any form of electronic communication the past 30 years.....as they are probably not taught.

Especially #1 about Huge Generalizations.

Irony?

It was a good article.

EVE is an ecosystem that encompasses everything... including the not-mentioned Wormhole Space which was overlooked for some reason or another.

I'd like to see CCP treat -all- of EVE Online as a whole and start working towards a vision of great interactions. Incursions were cool and all but how did they interact with wormhole space? with low sec? with high sec? with 0.0. They didn't. They were just... there. The best part about them was that they brought people together to run them but they could have evolved into so much more like linking them to Faction Warfare or into 0.0... or.. anything. The possibilities! But, no, they like so many awesome EVE things were left by their lonesome without entanglements.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2012-11-21 19:17:43 UTC
Also it's pretty funny to watch people jump on the Godwin train without understanding what it means.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#14 - 2012-11-21 19:31:32 UTC
In before Tipia......oh wait never mind
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-11-21 19:31:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hope this helps



It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol.

What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-11-21 19:33:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hope this helps



It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol.

What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.






Nope, that's not what the point of it is at all.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#17 - 2012-11-21 19:41:36 UTC
Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade. Clearly that's not the case because they could stop paying for free ships on kills that aren't related to strategics.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-11-21 19:44:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hope this helps



It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol.

What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.






Nope, that's not what the point of it is at all.


What then is the point? "Be nice to everyone" or some such? If so the guy who wrote the article (wink lol, who ever could it be) should jsut HTFU or GTFO. Just typing words than end with capital O or capital U makes one feel better (lol).

But honestly, I've read the article twice, it just sounds like a guy trying to present what should be common sense as some big earth shattering revelation only he could reveal to the world.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2012-11-21 19:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ioci wrote:
Considering the source, I think the point might have been to suggest certain people back off on their crusade.
What source would that be, and why would that affect the point?

Jenn aSide wrote:
What then is the point?
By the looks of it, “your reasoning for the removal of the other sucks. Don't perpetuate the nonsense, but rather provide a proper argument for good change instead.”
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-11-21 19:50:27 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

But honestly, I've read the article twice, it just sounds like a guy trying to present what should be common sense as some big earth shattering revelation only he could reveal to the world.

Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common.
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