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Why do people use more than 4 probes while scanning?
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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#21 - 2012-11-21 22:49:48 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I succeed quite well (and quickly) with 4 probes; only RARELY do I need a fifth, and that's typically because I wasn't paying attention. Using all 6 or whatever just because you read something about it on the forums is really kinda silly.

Get your Astro skills up to at least L4 on all, use Sisters gear plus Grav Cap, and throw in a bonused ship for good measure, and you don't need to embarass yourselves posting non-sense on the Forums anymore.

Unless you're into that...


Even dev posts explaining why they made a change you're claiming hasn't happened?

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#22 - 2012-11-22 00:05:31 UTC
I tend to just drop DSP and then go with 4 probes starting at 8au. By the time it takes to set up 8 probes my 4 are already down to at 2au or lower.

Having said that, if there are many signatures in system it's worthwhile taking the slightly longer set up time for more probes for the reasons already mentioned.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-22 00:28:08 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I use 4. With the shift/alt shortcuts I find using 4 is faster than trying to use more, but I could understand why one would like to keep a 5th one in the center.

I see people using 7 or 8 probes at once though and I just wonder, is there some secret technique that makes scanning actually faster with more probes?

On paper 8 would scan twice as fast as 4 when you have more than 1 signature, but the alt key shortcut makes it faster to just use 4 on both sigs.


mainly because im in a hurry

yes, on paper 8 is twice as fast as 4, but with alt youre faster to just use 4 for both sigs


that leaves 30 sigs.....

simple answer is, more probes make it easier to scan things down. if you occasionally scan something down, dont bother training. However people that run plex all the time, or, live in a wormhole quickly realize that that life with less then 7 probes amounts to hell
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-11-22 00:45:45 UTC
Wait, what's this "alt-key shortcut" thing.... if there's a way to scan faster, I wanna know about it.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#25 - 2012-11-22 01:00:42 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wait, what's this "alt-key shortcut" thing.... if there's a way to scan faster, I wanna know about it.


Press and hold alt while dragging probes it and it scale them in or out from their relative center point.

And afaik this feature is well over a year old now hehe.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-11-22 01:12:25 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wait, what's this "alt-key shortcut" thing.... if there's a way to scan faster, I wanna know about it.


Press and hold alt while dragging probes it and it scale them in or out from their relative center point.

And afaik this feature is well over a year old now hehe.


The feature may be old, but I'm still relatively new - six months now. I've been doing tonnes of probing but I've never heard of this. This is the first time, no one tells me ****.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#27 - 2012-11-22 06:18:41 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I succeed quite well (and quickly) with 4 probes; only RARELY do I need a fifth, and that's typically because I wasn't paying attention. Using all 6 or whatever just because you read something about it on the forums is really kinda silly.

Get your Astro skills up to at least L4 on all, use Sisters gear plus Grav Cap, and throw in a bonused ship for good measure, and you don't need to embarass yourselves posting non-sense on the Forums anymore.

Unless you're into that...


Even dev posts explaining why they made a change you're claiming hasn't happened?


Win. Actually the answer I was looking for.

Iv'e been reading patch notes for the last 5 expansions and it got ninja patched lol.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#28 - 2012-11-22 06:37:14 UTC
Because space is three dimensional and it looks cooler.

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#29 - 2012-11-22 08:53:55 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Use 8 probes.
I'll leave this here as a reference as to why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TisDb8c2aS4

Yes, you CAN use 4 probes to lock down any sig.
That said, it's about as efficient as running L4 missions in an armour tanked drake.


Not seen this method of setting up probes

+1
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-11-22 08:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Comy 1
4 probes is pretty much the minimum.
5 probes are for those special kids who want a center.
6 probes is actually a really nice amount for high scan strength if you place 4 in a standard square and have the last 2 above and below the center in the Z-plane so to speak.
7 probes I have no idea how you would make a useful pattern with.
8 probes is already covered by Jack's post, and probably used by most WH dwellers who value their own time. This technique starts to shine really bright when you have pretty much maxed probe skills and preferably some implant(s) to get e.g. above 25% result on sig size 10 with the 8au probes.

Also, keep in mind that just because you have more probes out doesn't mean that you automatically get a better hit than you would with fewer. The change made it so that more probes than 4 _CAN_ add up to the result if they are placed in a good formation with proper sizes to give you additional information.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-11-22 09:24:20 UTC
Comy 1 wrote:
6 probes is actually a really nice amount for high scan strength if you place 4 in a standard square and have the last 2 above and below the center in the Z-plane so to speak.
7 probes I have no idea how you would make a useful pattern with.

6 yep, Octahedron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octahedron
7 would be the same as 6, just with the center probe
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-11-22 12:27:19 UTC
I do actually know a fair few top notch scanners that use 7 probes.
6 at 4 au in a cross, 1 small in center.
with good technique and skills the difference between 7 and 8 probe setups is insignificant, I just prefer the 8.

as a note, they flat way i have the probes setup doesnt actually give the strongest results. using pyramids is stronger but much fiddlier to set up.

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valerydarcy
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-11-22 13:41:27 UTC
Wow... you people know JACK about scanning.

There is a way to lock all signatures down to 100% (even the faintest) with one click at 64AU.

Its simple.. MOAR probes.

This is the secret CCP didnt want you to know.. but you heard it hear first.

Drop 8 probes (or as many as you have skill to drop).

Leave system.

Return to your location, drop 8 more.

Leave system.

Rinse and repeat 100 times until you have 800 probes.

Hit scan, bingo.

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-11-22 13:51:24 UTC
I used to use single probes at key locations, like on gates etc as detectors. You can deactivate them and only move your 4 scanning probes, leaving your 'detector' probes where they are while you try to narrow down on a target. Then reactivate and scan to check on those locations again. I caught many fleeing ships like this

Now, they've changed it so more probes actually increase scan strength. Now you just 'blob' them all around your target to get that same 100% scan hit you used to get with 4

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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-11-22 13:55:45 UTC
valerydarcy wrote:
Wow... you people know JACK about scanning.

There is a way to lock all signatures down to 100% (even the faintest) with one click at 64AU.

Its simple.. MOAR probes.

This is the secret CCP didnt want you to know.. but you heard it hear first.

Drop 8 probes (or as many as you have skill to drop).

Leave system.

Return to your location, drop 8 more.

Leave system.

Rinse and repeat 100 times until you have 800 probes.

Hit scan, bingo.



... is that legal? if so... i think people's dscan is gonna get scary in my system

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#36 - 2012-11-22 13:58:13 UTC
valerydarcy wrote:
Wow... you people know JACK about scanning.

There is a way to lock all signatures down to 100% (even the faintest) with one click at 64AU.

Its simple.. MOAR probes.

This is the secret CCP didnt want you to know.. but you heard it hear first.

Drop 8 probes (or as many as you have skill to drop).

Leave system.

Return to your location, drop 8 more.

Leave system.

Rinse and repeat 100 times until you have 800 probes.

Hit scan, bingo.



LOL WUT
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#37 - 2012-11-22 13:59:12 UTC
Oh no My Secret is out!

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#38 - 2012-11-22 14:10:49 UTC
That doesn't even work!
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#39 - 2012-11-22 18:21:54 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
That doesn't even work!


It doesn't? D:

I actually was beginning to think we were on the apex of a scanning revolution!

I'll like his post anyway for the creativity, I never thought of that xD

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#40 - 2012-11-22 19:08:53 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
That doesn't even work!

Dude it soo works. You must be doing it wrong.

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