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Information on proposed Destroyer and Battlecruiser Skill changes

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#21 - 2012-11-22 14:10:14 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.



No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't.

Devs have already clarified this.

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C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-11-22 14:19:53 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.



No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't.

Devs have already clarified this.


He is correct, though. If, at the time of the change, you have ONLY Amarr Cruiser III and Battlecruiser V, you will get Amarr Battlecruiser V. You will not get any of the other racial BC skills unless you also have the racial Cruiser skills to III as well.

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#23 - 2012-11-22 14:20:13 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:


Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.



No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't.

Devs have already clarified this.


His statement seems fine to me, don't know what you're on about.
brammator
SUB ZERO.
#24 - 2012-11-23 09:19:38 UTC
Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#25 - 2012-11-23 12:31:56 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Are the changes where Capitals will require only BS 4 also going to be introduced at the same time?
June Ting
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#26 - 2012-11-27 16:06:51 UTC
brammator wrote:
Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed.

And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V?

Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V.

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Space Mutiny
#27 - 2012-11-28 19:36:49 UTC
June Ting wrote:
brammator wrote:
Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed.

And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V?

Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V.



Quote:
  • Make ship progression more consistent over all sizes, instead of having a mix of racial and generic skills
  • Allowing for faster tech2 specialization, and slower multi-racial diversification. In EVE Online, while you as a new player will never catch up with the total amount of skill points a veteran has, you can still be on the same level by specializing. This is precisely what we want to promote here. For instance, currently one needs Amarr Cruiser and Battlecruisers 5 to fly an Absolution, after the change the same pilot will only need Amarr Battlecruisers 5 (on top of the other skill requirements).

    • And from the older reballance blog
    Quote:
    [*] Cut needless requirements for tech 2 ships across classes. Tech 2 philosophy is all about specializing into a specific hull and role, thus, requiring players to train for Assault Ships, then Heavy Assault Ships when aiming for Field Command Ships, is quite redundant.
    James Amril-Kesh
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #28 - 2012-11-29 06:18:56 UTC
    June Ting wrote:
    brammator wrote:
    Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed.

    And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V?

    Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V.

    Sabre will most likely not require Minmatar Frigate V.

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    JohnnyRingo
    Regiment Of Naga Association
    OnlyFleets.
    #29 - 2012-11-29 18:20:19 UTC
    Could you please clarify for me, is the skill training time multiplier staying the same for the new skills so it would take 4 times the amount of time to train all races BC to 5 ?

    or is the training time multiplier on each skill being lowered?
    Hikaru Sulu
    Black Legion Industries
    #30 - 2012-11-30 01:02:21 UTC
    So someone just help me here... If I have the following:

    Caldari Frig 5
    Amarr Frig 4
    Gallente Frig 4
    Minnie Frig 4

    Destroyers 5

    Caldari cruiser 5
    Amarr cruiser 5
    Gallente Cruiser 4
    Minmatar Cruiser 4

    Battlecruisers 5

    Then I will get all racial Destroyer skills and all racial Battlecruiser skills to 5 when this change hits, correct?
    James Amril-Kesh
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #31 - 2012-11-30 01:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
    Hikaru Sulu wrote:
    So someone just help me here... If I have the following:

    Caldari Frig 5
    Amarr Frig 4
    Gallente Frig 4
    Minnie Frig 4

    Destroyers 5

    Caldari cruiser 5
    Amarr cruiser 5
    Gallente Cruiser 4
    Minmatar Cruiser 4

    Battlecruisers 5

    Then I will get all racial Destroyer skills and all racial Battlecruiser skills to 5 when this change hits, correct?

    Yes. You have more than enough to get all eight skills at V.

    JohnnyRingo wrote:
    Could you please clarify for me, is the skill training time multiplier staying the same for the new skills so it would take 4 times the amount of time to train all races BC to 5 ?

    or is the training time multiplier on each skill being lowered?

    Yes, last I saw the rank of the racial destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be the same as their current generic counterparts, so training all of them to V would take four times as long as training the skill to V takes now.
    Some people need to think first about what this could mean for the cost of their medical clone.

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    Norgslon Turiak
    Doomheim
    #32 - 2012-12-02 22:56:23 UTC
    What happens with the skill split when I'm 50% towards BC 5 (lets call it "4.5")? Do I get the all racial BC skills to lvl 4 or to lvl 4.5 (ofc asuming I have cruiser 3 for those racial ready).
    Coreola
    Royal Amarr Institute
    Amarr Empire
    #33 - 2012-12-03 16:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Coreola
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:


    Some people need to think first about what this could mean for the cost of their medical clone.


    Ok, this was something I was wondering about. Since we're taking 1 Battlecruiser skill and turning it into 4 Racial Battlecruiser skills, will this quadruple the amount of skill points we have in battlecruisers?
    i.e. If I have Generic BCV pre-patch and it is 1,000,000 skill points, will I have 4,000,000 BC skill points after patch?

    Same story with Destroyers V becoming 4 racial destroyers V?

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    KIller Wabbit
    MEME Thoughts
    #34 - 2012-12-03 16:25:22 UTC
    Not giving us a target date for the change is just trolling us. Seriously - this is the second time you've attempted to put us into a panic over this. We have other training needs as well. Not being able to prioritize because you just like messing with us is harassment.
    James Amril-Kesh
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #35 - 2012-12-03 21:40:02 UTC
    Coreola wrote:
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:


    Some people need to think first about what this could mean for the cost of their medical clone.


    Ok, this was something I was wondering about. Since we're taking 1 Battlecruiser skill and turning it into 4 Racial Battlecruiser skills, will this quadruple the amount of skill points we have in battlecruisers?
    i.e. If I have Generic BCV pre-patch and it is 1,000,000 skill points, will I have 4,000,000 BC skill points after patch?

    Same story with Destroyers V becoming 4 racial destroyers V?

    Yes

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    Laurinius
    Xynodyne
    The Initiative.
    #36 - 2012-12-03 22:16:06 UTC
    Norgslon Turiak wrote:
    What happens with the skill split when I'm 50% towards BC 5 (lets call it "4.5")? Do I get the all racial BC skills to lvl 4 or to lvl 4.5 (ofc asuming I have cruiser 3 for those racial ready).



    I would like an answer to this question as well...
    James Amril-Kesh
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #37 - 2012-12-03 23:08:52 UTC
    Laurinius wrote:
    Norgslon Turiak wrote:
    What happens with the skill split when I'm 50% towards BC 5 (lets call it "4.5")? Do I get the all racial BC skills to lvl 4 or to lvl 4.5 (ofc asuming I have cruiser 3 for those racial ready).



    I would like an answer to this question as well...

    I assume they'll give you the same SP per skill that you currently have in the generic skill. So if you're at BC 4.5, you'll have Amarr BC 4.5, Gallente BC 4.5, etc.

    It's safest however to assume that only full levels will transfer, and you have more than enough time to get all the skills you need before the change if you want all 8 skills at lvl 5.

    Enjoying the rain today? ;)
    Mund Richard
    #38 - 2012-12-03 23:54:33 UTC
    Apparently this message was too confusing and/or obscure.

    "We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
    James Amril-Kesh
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #39 - 2012-12-04 06:00:05 UTC
    Mund Richard wrote:
    Apparently this message was too confusing and/or obscure.

    It was too obscure, but by location and not by content.

    That does answer that question though. I imagine it's easier for them to do it that way.

    Enjoying the rain today? ;)
    Marlona Sky
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #40 - 2012-12-04 06:56:20 UTC
    James Amril-Kesh wrote:
    Mund Richard wrote:
    Apparently this message was too confusing and/or obscure.

    It was too obscure, but by location and not by content.

    That does answer that question though. I imagine it's easier for them to do it that way.

    I agree with location and such.

    What I really would like to see is something more in game as far as important dev posts and such instead of just isolated in the forums. Everyone knows that a very small percentage of players come to the forums and an optional ticker window that can be resized to something very small would be appreciated. I know some of you like to shout from on top of your soap boxes proclaiming that those who do not have a second monitor for just the forums and murdering their F5 key; in fact deserve to suffer the wrath of the 'lack of knowledge' gods. This line of thinking is a bit on the childish side.

    Players need more communication with announcements via in game, as well as on the forums.