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Money or get bumped... New high sec harrasment

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Rodtrik
Aphex Industries
#21 - 2012-11-20 19:30:39 UTC
From what I've observed, they are anything but legitimate.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-11-20 19:32:44 UTC
CCP should develop a progress quest like progress-eve where the bot-aspirant miners and haulers could watch their isk go up automatically without ever having to touch a thing. It would help with the servers and bandwidth costs.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#23 - 2012-11-20 19:33:17 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

This was discussed at great length here.

However the thread was locked because people couldn't keep to civil discussion.

I'll leave this one open for now, but please remember to follow the forum rules.


:D You're so kind!

Erusel Proudmoore wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I can assure you that we are completely legitimate and CCP Falcon-approved.

Are you sure you don't want a permit?



I didn't say that, i just want a second opinion and maybe a third.

Here's three opinions:

I do not think that Miner Bumping is against the rules.

CCP Falcon wrote:
So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

Bumping is not considered harassment.
Bumping is not considered griefing.
Bumping is not against the rules.


It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.


CCP Eterne wrote:
Firmly informally. It's not a petitionable action.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-11-20 19:39:01 UTC
Erusel Proudmoore wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I can assure you that we are completely legitimate and CCP Falcon-approved.

Are you sure you don't want a permit?



I didn't say that, i just want a second opinion and maybe a third.


You got the only opinion that actually matters in Post #17 of this thread. Can we close this now?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Anslo
Scope Works
#25 - 2012-11-20 19:41:49 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Erusel Proudmoore wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I can assure you that we are completely legitimate and CCP Falcon-approved.

Are you sure you don't want a permit?



I didn't say that, i just want a second opinion and maybe a third.


You got the only opinion that actually matters in Post #17 of this thread. Can we close this now?


Funny to see that, when dev's say something that is pro carebear or makes ganking or pvp against carebears harder, you hear bloody murder from people like this, even if the Dev's say working as intended.

But when it's anti-carebear, it's "working as intended."Roll

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-11-20 19:42:11 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
You got the only opinion that actually matters in Post #17 of this thread. Can we close this now?


Lets keep this thread open, this question seems to puzzle some of the less informed miners out there and it is good to have a place where they can get the correct information about the subject. For more detailed information and a sure way to avoid the bumping check out http://www.minerbumping.com/.
Anslo
Scope Works
#27 - 2012-11-20 19:46:03 UTC
I believe http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ has much better ways to not be bumped Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#28 - 2012-11-20 19:55:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Erusel Proudmoore wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I can assure you that we are completely legitimate and CCP Falcon-approved.

Are you sure you don't want a permit?



I didn't say that, i just want a second opinion and maybe a third.


You got the only opinion that actually matters in Post #17 of this thread. Can we close this now?


Funny to see that, when dev's say something that is pro carebear or makes ganking or pvp against carebears harder, you hear bloody murder from people like this, even if the Dev's say working as intended.

But when it's anti-carebear, it's "working as intended."Roll

Except from the carebears, they don't think it's working as intended. This is a terrible argument, because carebears are obviously going to argue against something that damages them (this) and non-carebears are clearly going to argue against things that damage them (barge buffs, for example).

Anslo wrote:
I believe http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ has much better ways to not be bumped Smile

Don't make me laugh. I'm afraid that even the miners admit that your Proveldtariat movement is a failure. You've utterly failed to gain noticeable support, and you've failed to retain even that. Your posting is infrequent, baseless and vapid, with no real point or amusement value. You attempt to imitate James' posting style, but since so much of that is based around carebear tears and bumpers do not provide tears, it fails miserably.

Sorry, but better methods of avoiding bumps can be found on www.minerbumping.com. Buying a permit, for example.
Adeleda Adoudel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-20 19:59:14 UTC
Bad troll is bad.
Anslo
Scope Works
#30 - 2012-11-20 20:01:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

Don't make me laugh. I'm afraid that even the miners admit that your Proveldtariat movement is a failure.


I don't think so. I still see resistance, people dodging, people ignoring, even people advertising the website. So no, you're wrong Smile


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You've utterly failed to gain noticeable support, and you've failed to retain even that.

Except it is being supported. You just aren't made aware of it. Why would I tell who who supports it, where they are, etc? Wouldn't that put them in danger? Also, miners are still resisting. If they resist, how has the movement failed? Smile

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Your posting is infrequent, baseless and vapid, with no real point or amusement value.

The very same could be said for James cultish ramblings, but I digress Smile

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You attempt to imitate James' posting style, but since so much of that is based around carebear tears and bumpers do not provide tears, it fails miserably.

Bumpers don't provide tears, just utter failure and dejection Smile

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Sorry, but better methods of avoiding bumps can be found on www.minerbumping.com. Buying a permit, for example.


No, you're wrong Smile
http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/ has actualy examples of how you can avoid bumping without paying extortionist thugs.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#31 - 2012-11-20 20:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Danks
If the proveldariatish movement was actually doing anything, wouldn't advertising that fact be better to help you gain support?

Edit - Also, the bumpers are quite clear as to what system they're operating in, wouldn't that be the place to be?
Anslo
Scope Works
#32 - 2012-11-20 20:07:10 UTC
Danks wrote:
If the proveldariatish movement was actually doing anything, wouldn't advertising that fact be better to help you gain support?

Edit - Also, the bumpers are quite clear as to what system they're operating in, wouldn't that be the place to be?


You can't seem to spell, can you? What?

As for what we're doing, we're young and prefer to keep our activities secret to ensure you do not attempt to stop them. Since you have been around longer, we are playing catch up.

You can see our general beliefs and goals in our Manifesto at http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/about/Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Uriel Hanaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-11-20 20:08:55 UTC
I understand what your doing any whd, but stop dressing it up as the greatest thing to happen to highsec since sliced bread, its extortion, you know it, I know it ,hell my cat knows it.

Just a thought on the matter.
CCP Falcon
#34 - 2012-11-20 20:09:37 UTC

Okay, this one's degenerated into the same as the last, so you guys can have it your way.

If any more threads come up on this issue, they'll be locked.

Smile

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