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attacking ships with no defense or offense

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stoicfaux
#61 - 2012-11-21 00:46:58 UTC
How many ships and modules in Eve exist for the express purpose of shooting things? How many game features center around shooting things? Let's call this "Gas."

What are the consequences to shooting other players in this game? Pretty minimal. Let's call this a "Lit Match."


Gas + Lit Match = Profit! (for CCP anyway.)



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#62 - 2012-11-21 00:48:48 UTC
A lot of players come to Eve expecting a realistic space-trading/piracy simulation. Because that's what it says on the box.

But then they discover the dumbed-down physics, the nonsensical or outright broken game mechanics and the juvenile 'ha ha u suck! can i haz ur stuff!' playerbase.

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person. In a game like Eve, it obviously isn't going to work if you cancel the accounts of all of the mentally disturbed players - or should I say the players who enjoy roleplaying mentally disturbed players.

So you need to get past all of that, suspend your sense of logic and learn to enjoy the game for what it is. They may not have created the game many of us have fantasised about forever, but it is the best thing currently available.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2012-11-21 01:02:06 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person.


The Egyptians said the exact same thing about the sea peoples in the late bronze age.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#64 - 2012-11-21 02:14:35 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
A lot of players come to Eve expecting a realistic space-trading/piracy simulation. Because that's what it says on the box
Anyone who did this deserves their dissapointment. I spent 15 minutes goggling EVe before I D/L'd it and knew from the jump start what the game and community was about.

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But then they discover the dumbed-down physics, the nonsensical or outright broken game mechanics and the juvenile 'ha ha u suck! can i haz ur stuff!' playerbase.

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person. In a game like Eve, it obviously isn't going to work if you cancel the accounts of all of the mentally disturbed players - or should I say the players who enjoy roleplaying mentally disturbed players.

So you need to get past all of that, suspend your sense of logic and learn to enjoy the game for what it is. They may not have created the game many of us have fantasised about forever, but it is the best thing currently available.


Translation of the bolded parts" I don't really like EVE, but I like space ships and till some one makes a REALLLL!!11!1 Spaceship game I'm here".

I'd never play a game I don't like, but that's just me.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#65 - 2012-11-21 02:34:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Vanell Draeko wrote:
ISK

If your ship has no defence or offence modules must have other modules that worth something so...

*shuttles*

And do people generally attack neutral shuttles in highsec that aren't carrying PLEX or something else valuable?


For some people, that's all they are capable of; and they imagine sweet tears everytime.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-11-21 02:38:21 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Podkilling is a bit different, there is no gain.


It is an important service to save power consumption on gates.


Also a service to the victim, providing them with a swift return back to the safety of their home station Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#67 - 2012-11-21 07:09:07 UTC
Unfortunately, yes.

Eve is mostly about unfair, non consensual PvP in blobs or gangs against people who can't fight back. If you find yourself in an honorable, evenly matched fight, you've done it wrong.

But I would like to see CCP expand on this. Give more depth to dimensions of Eve such as WiS, PvE content, social co-operation that does not include guns, PI, manufacturing, research, economic participation and so on.

That having been said, I would like to see Eve PvP/pew pew based gameplay expanded into WiS as well.... so we can blow things up outside of spaceships as well....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-11-21 07:16:50 UTC
Welcome to Killboard Online, where killmails are the only thing that matters for most players.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#69 - 2012-11-21 07:33:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person.


The Egyptians said the exact same thing about the sea peoples in the late bronze age.


And they built an empire on the super rare resource, salt.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#70 - 2012-11-21 08:28:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person.


The Egyptians said the exact same thing about the sea peoples in the late bronze age.


No. No they didn't. The 'sea peoples'? Who the fark are the seas peoples? Is this some kind of pre-school Americanised understanding of ancient history?

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#71 - 2012-11-21 08:31:17 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:

Yes, you're right. It makes no sense (in the real world) to pointlessly blow up worthless and defenceless ships. When a mentally disturbed person does do this in the real world, there are real and lasting consequences for that person.


The Egyptians said the exact same thing about the sea peoples in the late bronze age.


No. No they didn't. The 'sea peoples'? Who the fark are the seas peoples? Is this some kind of pre-school Americanised understanding of ancient history?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

Better send your kids to American schools then bucky boy.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-11-21 08:40:51 UTC
This is why lowsec doesn't work, its designed around the idea that you don't want to shoot other random people unless you're a pirate.




















..Or maybe we're all just pirates?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#73 - 2012-11-21 08:45:07 UTC
I have had my bike stolen IRL a lot more times then my Industrial blown up in Eve. The Eve community isn't that bad.
Herr Hammer Draken
#74 - 2012-11-21 08:49:05 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I have had my bike stolen IRL a lot more times then my Industrial blown up in Eve. The Eve community isn't that bad.


I only had one bike stolen from me and that was back in 1966. 46 years ago!

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#75 - 2012-11-21 09:37:50 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
This is why lowsec doesn't work, its designed around the idea that you don't want to shoot other random people unless you're a pirate.




















..Or maybe we're all just pirates?


In the 'favorite trailer' thread the Revelations II trailer gets mentioned a lot.
;tldr version of that trailer and the objectives of EVE Online center around the idea that the human race is a virus with the fated mission, to devour its host and see its own extinction. Every thing in EVE was made to be destroyed, including EVE itself.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
XJennieX
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-11-21 10:02:24 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I have had my bike stolen IRL a lot more times then my Industrial blown up in Eve. The Eve community isn't that bad.



guess how many bikes would have ben stolen if nobody would ever have to face any consequences for doing so. granted in case of stealing bicycle many times criminal is not found hence no consequences but for the normal law abiding citizen the threat of punishment is usually enough to not commit act.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2012-11-21 10:02:24 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:


No. No they didn't. The 'sea peoples'? Who the fark are the seas peoples? Is this some kind of pre-school Americanised understanding of ancient history?


The sea peoples were the first recorded pirates in human history, apearing is the 19th dynasty of the Egyptian Empire around 2000-1600 BC. Probably best to not mouth off before looking these things up given that it was written on stone obolisks over 3500 to 4000 years before America was even found.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-11-21 11:08:20 UTC
Short answer : You can!
Easy answer : Why not?
Best answer : Kill Mail!
Professionel answer : Fun!
Logic answer : Shoot first question later
Troll answer : Its a game!
Me answer : You are a spy kill it.
turmajin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-11-21 11:56:18 UTC
Lowsec doesnt work ,because the rewards for living/playing there arnt in scale to the risk to warrent players wanting to live/play there .Perhaps if the PVE aspect of Lowsec paid more per mission incursion ect in ISK and LP bigger faction standing, buffs and more better quality drops from rats/npcs compared to Highsec or emp space ,players would take the gamble.As it is atm ,most skill up in highsec .then jump straight into 0.0 or WH space .Where the reward to risk ratio make it worth while.Of course it means nerfing high sec missions ect somewhat,to acomplish this. to avoid a massive influx of ISK into the game and inflation.and i bet you can hear the howls of protest even now lolBig smile
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#80 - 2012-11-21 13:07:31 UTC
Lashauna wrote:
i am not here to shed noob tears or anything of that matter, i just want an answer to a question...

why every where in EVE, people always want to kill you? is this all EVE is all about? who can kill who first?

even if your ship have no defense or offense you are targeted and and quickly destroyed and usually by 2+ players...

what is the honor of attacking a ship that can not fight back? for killboard stats? but how can your killboard look "good" if it is full of defenseless ships?

is this all EVE is about?






please note: i would prefer constructive responses, otherwise do not waste both of our times


If i don't kill your ship the market will crash.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.