Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They are happy where they are as in hisec as it is now, change that and you mess with a lot of paystyles unecessarily.

Also it wouldn't create opportunities as such since everyone would simply move to one system region, probably Jita as its the biggest currently for the simplicity of buying and selling. Interfere with the game that they also pay for to play and they'll be wondering where else to spend there cash. It's a balancing act and screwing around with something that works fine to provide easy target for those in losec is just never going to work out well.

Your route assume gates will only be cut, and no additional gates created. In the past CCP have rerouted to break up a trade hub and yes this would be on a much larger scale. The seperation also does not mean there won't be highsec Islands in the clustering of lowsec systems, which I would expect to be the case, forming "depots" because as you probably guess, people will try to avoid the risk of the initial jumps via blops, associated blockade runners, and jump freighters.

The new jump rules would encourage something like to exist, for people to trade off pilots, or if they do not have multiple jump toons, to rest. If they do not want to make the rest of the trip, minor island trade hub(s) would be incentive to bring people through those systems.

Speaking as someone who has consistently made it through multiple double sided 8+ person gatecamps in a blockade runner through 1 system choke points(spent time in omist and made frequent trips through torrinos/EC-pr8 choke point sans blops), and JFs from Deklein/pure blind (npc) to Daras slowboating from daras to nonni repeatedly, I see no difficulties in hauling. Proper tools for the job, and proper rewards for training, risk and investment in JF's.

That was all done on this toon, and while my KB is obviously laughable(including that raven BP-ah the joys of being a newbie), there is not one loss of a freighter or jump freighter. Luck, scouts, timing, proper cyno placement. The losses I have incurred are through me being dumb, not because I was caught in a gate camp. And I am BAD at eve.

For the regular joe sixpack wanting to get from empire to empire, once again, timing and scouts. Sure you can solo jump and hope and pray after reading the stats in the maps, and gatecampers may be happy. It would not take too much effort to camp the narrowest path gates as you have said, or you can hire someone to move your stuff with collateral and buy your ship in another empire if that hauler fails.

I still state that if there are multiple choice routes to get to and from the same system, even just 2, it is not a choke point and there is a choice regardless of effort to camp those gates.

Naturally, there will be new gates if there's new systems added to the universe. But I cannot assume where they are or if they come. Hence, I took the only example I know that resembles remotely what such a choke point region could look like.

With your examples of Aunenen or EC- you don't even get close to what is bound to happen in these new low sec systems. The economic value of the Pietanen constellation or Tribute, any 00 up there to be honest, is not comparable to what is transported between Jita and Amarr daily. Absolutely no system's camp indices of today's low sec choke points is comparable to the importance of such new low sec routes between the major hubs, especially if people like you feel adventurous. No NOBODY camp in Aunenen, no Rancer, no EC-, no HED-, no Hier, no PF-, no Oulley, no 7Q, no N-RAEL, no M-O etc comes close to what these systems camp potential will be. Multiple routes or not, every viable entry and important pass-through systems will be easily campable and will be camped.

Capitals. Drug Labs. Pirates. Reaction Towers. For instance.

Right, so you end up with a pull from both sides, people wanting to raise the status and those wanting to lower it. Maybe it could be region-based, so people running HS missions next door lead to the LS system slowly raising its sec status.

I don't think many people avoid low-sec because they think it's some scary dangerous place, they avoid it because at the end of the day going there is pretty pointless for them. This would add an immediate reason to go & fight in low, it creates a reason to bring high-sec players together to do something.

High-sec is currently to safe and frankly a bit to unfair in it's application of what danger does exist, breaking it all up into pockets of high-sec with dangerous roads between would be a good start to rectifying that.

The nerf to income that would people be required to force people to use losec otherwise why would they? squash into smaller areas and produce more of the same items from ratting. The nerf that would come for traders and manufacturers who now either have to buy more expensive items from the market or pay people to haul them across losec(which would obviously be the same large groups who could easily camp the main routes)

The nerf that would come from prices on modules crashing as more squash into smaller areas and produce more of the same items from ratting. The nerf that would come for traders and manufacturers who now either have to buy more expensive items from the market or pay people to haul them across losec(which would obviously be the same large groups who could easily camp the main routes).

If there was not a nerf to hisec income why would people go through losec? Even if they did it would be in BR's or inty's that would never be seen/caught unless there are choke points that can be camped by instlock groups.

As you say the enticements are already there so clearly those players have nil interest in losec. Adding more losec space between the empires would do nothing but stifle the trade and manufacturoing sectors that thrive there.

They aren't weak and incapable as you put it (remember this is just a game, you know? Funa nd that...) they have a different focus. Of course they would adapt and I've said how I believe they would do this. If they can no longer enjoy the game the way they wish (within reason, most people welcome change in some areas ) they will quit , and this would* affect CCP and the rest of us.

More people than you think have easily rustled jimmies.

What if CONCORD just didn't respond as fast to capital ship ganks? Now there's more reason to go through lowsec. Leave highsec chokepoints, but make a whole bunch of alternate paths through lowsec all with similar numbers of jumps. Lowsec might end up being the safer option.